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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    Well exactly. If you rather someone fail than use means like lie and manipulate than "the means justify the ends" and not "the end justify the means".
    sure that is what he wrote but it did not sound like what he meant because he then went on to say it was less important to be moral if the end result justified it.

    unless i misread it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    sure that is what he wrote but it did not sound like what he meant because he then went on to say it was less important to be moral if the end result justified it.

    unless i misread it.
    You did. He says intent is always more important. He was saying praise that people don't get praise for being moral but for getting results.

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    Oops, I see know that I wrote "The means justify the ends" - hilarious.

    Well, that's more how I act. But not how I think. So it's kind of correct but shouldn't have been written just there.
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    Ehrm, the thread is growing faster than I update, sorry. Anyway, the Ends justify the means. I just might not be able to do it.
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    Well, I'm a "the means justify the ends" myself so it wouldn't be that weird.

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    sounds fe to me...or rather that you think it ought to be that way but struggle with it...yeah?
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    Now that I reread it, it almost seems more logical with "the means justify the ends" considering the rest of the first paragraph. I meant that you look to the results, factor in all your knowledge, and do what gives the best result in the end. If that means you have to lie, you have to lie.

    What I was also saying in the same piece was that you're not accountable for things you don't know about. This part supported "the means justify the ends" as it is now written.

    Even later I tried to clear up that if you start playing god and think you know all the consequenses of your actions you will likely go wrong because you don't know enough. So the obviously moral alternative (if there is one) might be the best "ends" in the end.
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    Just to add: This means that I pay very little heed to rules and give almost all credit to good intentions.
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    yeah well now i'm properly confused
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    I tend to have that effect on people. I'll just change the first part of the first paragraph so it says what it should say. The rest is just a tangled mess I guess...
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