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    Quote Originally Posted by rhinosaur View Post
    Many people straddle the boundary between two types.
    That's hot.
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    im thinking that im maybe like 60% N and 40% S if thats even possible.
    I don't know if MBTI allows that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    I didn't think so.



    Because I have not seen compelling evidence.
    You want evidence? Read a book. Look and listen to people. Put 2 and 2 together. This is all theory inferred from subjective observation and anecdotal evidence, and what I was describing was a theoretical archetype. You won't find empirical, objective evidence, because there's no way to accurately measure any of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    You want evidence? Read a book. Look and listen to people. Put 2 and 2 together. This is all theory inferred from subjective observation and anecdotal evidence, and what I was describing was a theoretical archetype. You won't find empirical, objective evidence, because there's no way to accurately measure any of this.
    Some assumptions are necessary to form archetypes, of course. But not to the degree which you and others take them. If you stick to the traits that are actually observable, the theory holds up better. The more that you make blanket statements about thought processes that are entirely speculation and not observable, the farther away you get from anything that's actually useful.

    The set-in-stone function order theory makes too many assumptions in proportion to the amount of actual "subjective observation and anecdotal evidence." It gets into an "all elephants are pink" zone very quickly. You don't even have to go further than this very forum to find plenty of anecdotal evidence that contradicts that theory. If it can't even hold up in a group as small as the one assembled on this website, I have serious doubts about it holding up in the population at large.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Craft View Post
    I don't know if MBTI allows that.
    Well why not?

    I made a few diagrams back to show proper correlation between movement of
    the functions. Think of it like liking broccoli.

    Some love it. Some like it. Some are neutral. Some don't like it. Some hate it.

    It's quite analogue as to how much one loves it or hates it. It's not 'black and white'

    Here's 2 of the diagrams I made:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post

    Here's 2 of the diagrams I made:
    Sorry, I don't quite understand your diagrams. How is the INTX not INTX?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    Some assumptions are necessary to form archetypes, of course. But not to the degree which you and others take them. If you stick to the traits that are actually observable, the theory holds up better. The more that you make blanket statements about thought processes that are entirely speculation and not observable, the farther away you get from anything that's actually useful.
    But they're not entirely speculation, they're based on descriptions that people give. They're identifiable in the way that people come to decisions, what authorities they appeal to in argument, how they express themselves in general. Jung didn't just decide to invent them out of thin air, because HURF DURF

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    The set-in-stone function order theory makes too many assumptions in proportion to the amount of actual "subjective observation and anecdotal evidence." It gets into an "all elephants are pink" zone very quickly. You don't even have to go further than this very forum to find plenty of anecdotal evidence that contradicts that theory. If it can't even hold up in a group as small as the one assembled on this website, I have serious doubts about it holding up in the population at large.
    Your assumption (and almost everyone else's on this forum) is that the function order seeks to define a person's entire personality and ability - that we can somehow group all behaviour and experiences into these eight categories. In reality, what the function order is able to illustrate is how people naturally think and make decisions, what criteria they fall back on and what helps them grow- and it does it surprisingly well, in my opinion. These things don't sum up a person entirely, but that doesn't mean that they're without merit -they're just one small part of the picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Craft View Post
    Sorry, I don't quite understand your diagrams. How is the INTX not INTX?
    Introversion and extraversion would be equal if one is borderline P/J because the dominant function is both the introverted and extraverted function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    Introversion and extraversion would be equal if one is borderline P/J because the dominant function is both the introverted and extraverted function.
    You mean Ti versus Te? I really don't get it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craft View Post
    You mean Ti versus Te? I really don't get it...
    Ti, Te, Ni and Ne would all be dominant if one is INTX which would actually mean he is XNTX.

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