User Tag List

Results 1 to 8 of 8

  1. #1
    Let me count the ways Betty Blue's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    MBTI
    ENFP
    Enneagram
    7W6 sp/sx
    Socionics
    IEE
    Posts
    4,797

    Default INTJ OR ISTJ? WHAT ARE THE MAIN DIFFERENCES

    I am now really quite confused about this. I believed someone to be an INTJ but a friend suggested they were more ISTJ and upon further reading i think they may be. I could really use some help understanding how the two types differ from each other. I have read the descriptions of both but i'm still uncertain. I also read a thread of an ISTJ which sounded so much like this person it was a little scary. Maybe i should post some info about said mysterious untyped person? but i'm unsure what i should say about them to help type them, any ideas?





    (thank you)
    "We knew he was someone who had a tragic flaw, that's where his greatness came from"

  2. #2
    Supreme High Commander Andy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Enneagram
    5w6
    Posts
    1,108

    Default

    Putting up information will help us type them, but it wont help you much, so I'll try and elaborate upon the differences between the two.

    ISTJs are primary Si users, which means that they prefer to work with information that they consider to be reliable. To an extent, that is true of everyone, but for the ISTJ, it is particularly emphasised. Facts tend to be more easily verified than ideas, so the ISTJ will often focus upon them, rather than abstract concepts. However, it is the certainty of the knowledge that is important to them, rather than it's exact nature. That said, being auxillary Te users, they will often use the foundation of reliable information for practicle ends, such as completeing a given task in the safest, surest way known to them.

    INTJs are primary Ni user, which means that they tend to focus in more on ideas and possibilities than the ISTJ. A new concept is more interesting to them than just another fact, because the concept its ramifications can be explored. Also being auxillary Te users, INTJs are frequently marked by a desire to turn the theoretical and untested into a workable reality.

  3. #3
    Let me count the ways Betty Blue's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    MBTI
    ENFP
    Enneagram
    7W6 sp/sx
    Socionics
    IEE
    Posts
    4,797

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    Putting up information will help us type them, but it wont help you much, so I'll try and elaborate upon the differences between the two.

    ISTJs are primary Si users, which means that they prefer to work with information that they consider to be reliable. To an extent, that is true of everyone, but for the ISTJ, it is particularly emphasised. Facts tend to be more easily verified than ideas, so the ISTJ will often focus upon them, rather than abstract concepts. However, it is the certainty of the knowledge that is important to them, rather than it's exact nature. That said, being auxillary Te users, they will often use the foundation of reliable information for practicle ends, such as completeing a given task in the safest, surest way known to them.

    INTJs are primary Ni user, which means that they tend to focus in more on ideas and possibilities than the ISTJ. A new concept is more interesting to them than just another fact, because the concept its ramifications can be explored. Also being auxillary Te users, INTJs are frequently marked by a desire to turn the theoretical and untested into a workable reality.
    Yes, this is what i am confused by, i see both in this person but probably more of the former, the s.
    I know this person does everything to the letter in most things and completes everything. (i am a little envious of this)
    But they also completely surprise me at times with being spontaneous which is something i do not expect with them at all. And then they have this streak of rebellion that surprises me.
    Which would you say is more possessive and controlling of the two types? Or is that something you would not connect to type?
    "We knew he was someone who had a tragic flaw, that's where his greatness came from"

  4. #4
    Supreme High Commander Andy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Enneagram
    5w6
    Posts
    1,108

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by GemPOPGem View Post
    Yes, this is what i am confused by, i see both in this person but probably more of the former, the s.
    I know this person does everything to the letter in most things and completes everything. (i am a little envious of this)
    But they also completely surprise me at times with being spontaneous which is something i do not expect with them at all. And then they have this streak of rebellion that surprises me.
    Which would you say is more possessive and controlling of the two types? Or is that something you would not connect to type?
    I think that either type has the potential to be controlling. Some examples of both will show those traits.

    Don't be confused into thinking that Si means conformist! It doesn't. ISTJs are quite capable of disagreeing with the establishment, if they see it as opperating in a ineffectual or distasteful manor.

    If you find your friends spontaneity surprising, it could well mean that they are an ISTJ. That type has Ne in the inferior possion, which means that it will only show itself in fits and burst, lying dormant most of the time.

    I think ISTJ looks like the best fit.

  5. #5
    Happy Dancer uumlau's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Enneagram
    953 sp/so
    Posts
    5,708

    Default

    It can be difficult to tell the difference between INTJ and ISTJ. Various tests had me pegged as ISTJ, at first. Part of the problem is that the tests' N vs S questions can be really quite stupid: "Do you prefer abstract theory or real factual details?" and variations on a theme. N is not a preference for "abstract theory" nor is S a preference for detail work. It's an abuse of the word "preference" in the MBTI context.

    See, I "prefer" real factual details, because in real life, I know that if I don't have the real factual details (and it doesn't need to be many, just a good representative sample), then all of the various theories, thoughts and ideas floating around in my head are so much useless fluff. But really, I process things in terms of functional patterns that are not strongly anchored to specific details. I "memorize" functionality, not lists of detail. That's Ni. I process and match patterns, not specific events. That's Ni.

    What one "prefers" in an MBTI context really means what one "uses"; it means how one actually processes incoming information, without regard to what one likes.

    So, if your friend processes things "to the letter" as a matter of habit, and you don't see him regularly gain bizarre insights by noting how X works just like Y did, except for a couple of details, so he can use his understanding of Y to work with X and develop a deeper understanding of X, then your friend is probably ISTJ, regardless of how quirky and independent he might be.

    Similarly, no matter how conventional, stick-in-the-mud, mundane, and boring your friend might be, if he can just look at a problem that looks unsolvable, solve it in his head, and then gets a bit frustrated as it takes forever to explain his solution and convince others of his solution, then he's likely to be INTJ.

    MBTI doesn't indicate one's attitude, beliefs or emotional state. MBTI indicates how one processes incoming information and makes decisions based on that incoming information. The actual conclusions and attitudes of individuals of a given MBTI type can be remarkably disparate. The similarities you will see between individuals of a given MBTI type are far more functional than specific.

  6. #6
    Let me count the ways Betty Blue's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    MBTI
    ENFP
    Enneagram
    7W6 sp/sx
    Socionics
    IEE
    Posts
    4,797

    Default

    Oh, this person became interested once they knew i was discussing thier type and then wanted to do the test....

    Introverted (I) 56.25% Extroverted (E) 43.75%
    Sensing (S) 71.43% Intuitive (N) 28.57%
    Thinking (T) 56.41% Feeling (F) 43.59%
    Judging (J) 75.76% Perceiving (P) 24.24%

    How could i mistake them for an INTJ with such a strong s result?
    "We knew he was someone who had a tragic flaw, that's where his greatness came from"

  7. #7
    12 and a half weeks BerberElla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    MBTI
    infp
    Posts
    2,726

    Default

    We were right then lol.


    Coffee, big red, and a tasty sandwich, followed by an excellent result afterwards. (as he sat the test)

    There are quite a few threads here dealing with ISTJ and ENFP relationships, even typing that in to google will bring back results that lead here so just trawl through them and see if anything matches up with what you are hoping to understand out of it.

    I did it, hoping to post a few helpful links, but I wasn't sure which would be more relevant.
    Echo - "So are you trying to say she is Evil"

    DeWitt - "Something far worse, she's an Idealist"

    Berb's Johari Berb's Nohari

  8. #8
    Let me count the ways Betty Blue's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    MBTI
    ENFP
    Enneagram
    7W6 sp/sx
    Socionics
    IEE
    Posts
    4,797

    Default

    @Berbs,
    Yes i think we may be onto something here, it looks all positive at the mo.
    I'll check for threads and google
    Communication is a very handy tool
    P.s i have an idea for some more dresses, do not hide i will seek you out!
    "We knew he was someone who had a tragic flaw, that's where his greatness came from"

Similar Threads

  1. [NT] What are the differences between ENTJ & ENTP??
    By BookLady in forum The NT Rationale (ENTP, INTP, ENTJ, INTJ)
    Replies: 301
    Last Post: 10-05-2017, 11:15 AM
  2. [ISTJ] What are the signs of a ISTJ liking or being attracted to you?
    By Tish211 in forum The SJ Guardhouse (ESFJ, ISFJ, ESTJ, ISTJ)
    Replies: 93
    Last Post: 06-20-2011, 10:17 PM
  3. Replies: 69
    Last Post: 05-04-2011, 11:10 PM
  4. What are the biggest differences between ISFJ and ISFP
    By Requeim in forum What's my Type?
    Replies: 28
    Last Post: 05-01-2009, 08:33 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO