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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    I'm dominant in an N function
    Face it, you're really ESTJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    I don't think this can be really considered one of our defects...
    And INTPs don't think they give excessive attention to nitpicking trivial details of logical consistency...and yet most other types do. Objective self-analysis is tough.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Just for fun:

    ESTJ: Micromanager
    ENTJ: Macromanager
    ENFJ: People Manager
    ESTP: Disaster Control (aka Kick-Ass-and-Take-Names) Manager

    ESFJ: Master of Ceremonies (manager)
    ESFP: Collegiality and Diversion Manager
    ENTP: Chaos Production Manager
    ENFP: Possibilities and Brainstorming Manager

    ISFJ: Personnel Manager
    ISTJ: Industrial Manager
    INFJ: Manager for the Protection of Workers' and Human Rights
    INTJ: Systems Manager

    ISTP: Device Manager
    ISFP: Trend Manager
    INTP: Development Manager
    INFP: Manager of the Better Bureau and Ethics Department

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Face it, you're really ESTJ.
    You're the one always railing against set function orders. What about ENTJs who give more weight to Se than to Ni?

    You don't think Te+Se is capable of micromanaging? Think again, champ.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    And INTPs don't think they give excessive attention to nitpicking trivial details of logical consistency...and yet most other types do. Objective self-analysis is tough.
    Well, I agreed with the other poster, which was describing other qualities. i could see myself giving a rather vague picture of an assignment, while having quite a clear picture in my head of what I want it to be, and then get pissed if the result don't match. Which is quite bad.
    Micromanagement tho would mean that I'd have to check the whole process of execution constantly...jesus...deadly boring. I'd rather develop some other new idea while other people do their work.
    ENTj 7-3-8 sx/sp

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Well, I agreed with the other poster, which was describing other qualities. i could see myself giving a rather vague picture of an assignment, while having quite a clear picture in my head of what I want it to be, and then get pissed if the result don't match. Which is quite bad.
    Micromanagement tho would mean that I'd have to check the whole process of execution constantly...jesus...deadly boring. I'd rather develop some other new idea while other people do their work.
    The problem is that the amount of external control you consider necessary and justified differs from the amount other people consider necessary and justified.

    So what you see as "just doing your job" will look like excessive micromanaging from the perspectives of many other people, especially if you think someone is slacking or not holding up his responsibilities.

    ENTJs may not enjoy micromanaging, but often they believe everyone around them to be so incompetent that they consider it their duty in order to save the entire project from total failure. "I'm the only competent one here, and if you want something done right you have to do it yourself!"
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    RAWRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!

    I'm a micromanager, so watch out!!!!!!! I will hunt you down and curse you for all the grammar mistakes you have done, do, and will ever do!!!!!!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Why, because your MBTI profile says, "Ss like details and Ns don't"?

    Hate to break it to you, but that's a nasty oversimplification of a much more nuanced functional theory.

    Te can pay excessive attention to minor details on its own, without the help of an introverted perception function.

    You guys are kidding yourselves if you think auxiliary Ni prevents you from ever getting mired in irrelevant details.

    Much as Ns may like to believe otherwise about themselves, they can very petulant about things that violate the principles of their judging functions.

    If you think Ns can't focus excessively on minor details, look at the way INTPs nitpick the shit out of logical incorrectness and slightly off shades of meaning. Why would they have a reputation for nitpicking if Ns always ignore trivial details?

    xNxx types don't ignore details; the N function does.

    Unfortunately, half of the xNxx types place a judgment faculty in a higher position than their N function, and judgment functions quite frequently do focus on minor details.

    Micromanaging the environment is a function of Te/Fe, not a perception function. ESTJs will do it worse than ENTJs, but you're relying on a dumb MBTI oversimplification of N/S types if you think being an N type means you're immune to focusing on minor details.

    Go read up on Te.




    This actually helps my point. I'm dominant in an N function and I can still focus on trivial details when they violate the principles of my judgment faculty, Ti. "BUT I'M AN N TYPE SO I'M IMMUNE TO GETTING STUCK IN TRIVIAL DETAILS WAAHHHHH"

    Nope, the judgment function is responsible for that, not your perception.

    Try working with an INFP on an artistic project and see how much his incessant perfectionism insists that every detail be precisely as he wants it. Being an N type doesn't give you a magical free pass to never get stuck on minor details--what a dumb argument.
    Wait for it....
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    Woohoo! I have been waiting my entire month on TypeC for the chance to use that.
    Much appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFlame View Post
    Wait for it....
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    Woohoo! I have been waiting my entire month on TypeC for the chance to use that.
    Much appreciated.
    HA HA HA

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFlame View Post
    Wait for it....
    Wait for it....






    Woohoo! I have been waiting my entire month on TypeC for the chance to use that.
    Much appreciated.
    Um, no. It's not a straw man. Look at his post:

    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon Candle View Post
    Dictionary.com defines micromanage as: "to manage or control with excessive attention to minor details"

    ENXJs are macromanagers.
    He italicized "with excessive attention to minor details" in order to illustrate his contention that Ns don't manage with excessive attention to minor details. This is based on the popular MBTI myth that "Ss like details and Ns like the big picture."

    Unfortunately for him, Ns can and do manage with excessive attention to minor details when a non-N Judgment function is governing their behavior...which happens quite often with types who place a Judgment function above the N function.

    This is really not that difficult.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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