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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Nevertheless this kind of tendency is often observed as characteristic of ENTJs:
    Cool story bro. Now how does micromanaging fit in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustHer View Post
    Cool story bro. Now how does micromanaging fit in?
    Orangey's explanation is better than mine so I'll let her do the talking this time:

    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    Well because to manage something is to exert control over the elements of that particular something. And to exert control over the elements of something is simply to impose an order onto them; to arrange and re-arrange; regulate; rule. That's definitional Te.

    Originally I thought that you were thrown by the "micro" stem, because that implies an over-attention to details in the process of management, which could point more towards Si (and ENTJs don't have Si in their top four functions.) But my point was that even granting that TeSi micromanages more than TeNi, the Te still places micromanagement well within the ENTJs domain.
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    Please read the rest of the thread

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    I find INTJs and ISTJs pretty micro-managey.

    But I see what you're saying here. However, aren't we looking at a bit of a contextual problem? I believe all of this emerged out of the assertion that ENTJs micro-manage their romantic partners, no? Can we assume this is true?
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    This whole disastrous thread could have been averted by simply googling the definition of micromanaging.

    Proving once again that Simulated World just likes to hear himself speak.

    (or read himself type?)

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    If the micro part corelates to Si (let's just say it does), then in theory, an INTJ should be about as much of a micro-manager as an ENTJ. Maybe this doesn't seem obvious because we associate INTJs with not wanting to manage at all?

    I find that if I actually get pushed into the situation, as much as I avoid it, I am very micro-managing, and I'm not a J of any kind. I can't figure out why Te alone would be any more condusive to micro-management than Ti alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustHer View Post
    This whole disastrous thread could have been averted by simply googling the definition of micromanaging.



    Proving once again that Simulated World just likes to hear himself speak.

    (or read himself type?)
    And your whole post here could have been avoided by recognizing that Ni is not the only function ENTJs use, nor is it even the primary one.

    Yeah, we get it, Ni doesn't focus on details. But Te and Se, the functions others actually see when interacting with you, frequently DO focus on details.
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    Haven't read the read and don't intend to, but my first instinct is that *micromanage* is not the correct word.
    The ENTJs I've had close contact with seem to be broad mangers, as in taking responsibility for the alleged incompetence of others in areas that would normally be considered to be noneoftheirbusiness. I've never noticed an odd attention to detail, but more of a bigger picture, *I know what's missing here and I know what principle I hold that will fix it* kind of attitude. But half the time their instructions are too broad and cryptic for me to apply in any micro-fashion, even if I wanted to.

    Micromanaging seems to be more of an SJ/Fe thing, if we're going to be making gross generalizations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    And your whole post here could have been avoided by recognizing that Ni is not the only function ENTJs use, nor is it even the primary one.
    But I don't think we've done a very good job of showing how Te is exceptionally micro-management inclined itself.
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    It isnt.

    If Te is management, then TeSi is micromanagement and TeNi is macromanagement. I don't think anybody can/will dispute these correlations.

    I don't see how a TeNi user can regularly fall victim to using a function that shows up like 7th on their functional order.

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