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    Do ENTJ's have a tendency to micromanage the work of others?
    This thread should be titled, "Do others have a tendency to do work that isn't up to par (aka the standards of the ENTJ)"?


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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    This thread should be titled, "Do others have a tendency to do work that isn't up to par (aka the standards of the ENTJ)"?

    Hahah. I'm glad some of you guys have enough of a sense of humor to recognize this tendency in yourselves.

    Really, one of the best things about ENTJs is their drive to get things done accurately and punctually. That's great, but mention some of the potentially negative results of this attitude and you're bound to piss somebody off.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Hahah. I'm glad some of you guys have enough of a sense of humor to recognize this tendency in yourselves.
    Ahh, classic.

    "Someone who agrees with me. Finally, some honesty!"
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    IME:

    I've noticed that the micromanaging with NTJs is not as blatant as it is in STJ types, but it does occur. NTJs just seem to think the rest of the world is completely incompetent (or at least not as competent as the NTJ in question), so they have this overwhelming urge to oversee the task at hand to ensure optimal quality, as they vest minimal hopes in others' abilities.

    Micromanaging on the STJ's end seems to occur more because STJs have a desire to control their environment for comfort's sake. They feel more at ease knowing the details of a situation, and they ensure that they know the details by infiltrating as many aspects as possible. Thus their desire to micromanage is a manifestation of placing value in predictability, and (unlike with NTJs) doesn't seem to occur so much because they are arrogant, dense pricks who view most people as wholly incapable.

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    Does anyone feel like operationalizing "micro-management" here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Ahh, classic.

    "Someone who agrees with me. Finally, some honesty!"
    an incisive bullshit detector like this is what's going to someday get you elected president.

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    Whew. I felt pretty cursed until I read the white text.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Again I'll ask you: Why do you think this ENTJ overbearing stereotype exists? Is it just a conspiracy or does it happen frequently enough to create this impression?
    Because the ENTJ is basically defined as a micromanager:

    N (sees concepts)
    + T (organizes concepts together) = Sees the big picture
    + J (more organized and driven than everyone else) = Knows how to improve upon and organize the big picture in a practical way
    + E (won't STFU about it) = MICROMANAGER IN UR FACE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Ahh, classic.

    "Someone who agrees with me. Finally, some honesty!"
    It's more significant than that because it's someone who's a member of the group in question. It's natural and instinctual to dismiss criticisms of groups that we belong to because it's difficult to avoid feeling personally involved.

    I applauded him for being able to admit one of the negative tendencies of his own type, not for agreeing with me. I don't think the ENTJs disagreeing with me are lying--I just think their self-perceptions on this particular topic are inaccurate.

    Nevertheless this kind of tendency is often observed as characteristic of ENTJs:

    Quote Originally Posted by Personality Type, An Owner's Manual, pg. 283
    These types [ENTJs] are far more impatient than ESTJs, however, because they're driven by the concomitant need to set things right. They can have a hard time recognizing that others are motivated differently than they are and may need signs of praise, approval, and personal interest. They may even see these motives as a sentimental weakness that ought to be overcome.
    Quote Originally Posted by Personality Type, An Owner's Manual, pg. 281
    ENTJs are oriented by the objective, rational, Judging viewpoint of Extraverted Thinking. They're alert to aspects of an organized system that have no functional purpose, and they're driven to rid the system of their influence...

    They can't tolerate wasted efforts, repeated problems or the need to say something more than once.

    It may be useful in this regard to note that the word decision comes from the same French root as the words scissors and excise....
    The intelligence of these types is incisively critical.
    Quote Originally Posted by Personality Type, An Owner's Manual, pg. 271
    Such types [Te dominants] can seem egocentric or insensitive, but their focus is squarely on their logical self-image. [When] the problems they're noticing can't be solved with Extraverted Thinking, and as long as they're resisting other approaches, their only option is to defend the one they've got. They do this by eliminating, ignoring, or complaining about the things that can't be explained by or fit into their Thinking framework...

    Without some access to their Introverted world, these types confuse being logical with being objective. They lose sight of the fact that an objective view would encompass both rational and irrational aspects of life. Indeed, Introverted Feeling gets so far out of their control that their logic is gradually compromised. They aren't weighing pros and cons and drawing reasonable conclusion. They know the right way and the wrong way to do almost everything.
    And so on and so forth.

    btw, Jaguar, all of the above quotes are Lenore Thomson's ideas, not mine. I just think they're applicable to this discussion so I provided them.


    Quote Originally Posted by xNTP View Post
    Because the ENTJ is basically defined as a micromanager:

    N (sees concepts)
    + T (organizes concepts together) = Sees the big picture
    + J (more organized and driven than everyone else) = Knows how to improve upon and organize the big picture in a practical way
    + E (won't STFU about it) = MICROMANAGER IN UR FACE
    Bingo. I know many ENTJs don't intend to come off this way, but if others take it that way it's worth some consideration.
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    I haven't found them to be micromanagers.

    I clash with micromanagers (my ITSJ mom for example who I love v much but can't work with), but in fact the ENTJ's I have known who have annoyed me as managers, has been for the following reasons:

    for being often too vague and unclear in instructions while inflexible in their assessment,
    unpredictable/eratic
    often stand-offish (though overbearing in the realm of opinions)

    The typical "bad" ENTJ manager to me, is like a hurtling truck towards a cliff, tunnel visioned, oblivious to others perception of them, paranoid and aggressive towards anyone outside of their "loyal" clique...more like a politician in decline than a "micromanager".
    "Of course we spent our money in the good times. That's what you're supposed to do in good times! You can't save money in the good times. Then they wouldn't be good times, they'd be 'preparation for the bad times' times."

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