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    Quote Originally Posted by alicia91 View Post
    I'm also wondering if I'm an E that is a bit socially rusty or lacks confidence or if I'm a mild I. It's like I desperately want to go out and be more social, I'm just not used to it. But perhaps that points to an I?
    This sounds a little like my confusion with my E/I score - I spent a lot of time at home (with just my family), and didn't really get out very much. Most of the time I was content and fine with it, but I also sort of felt like I was in a bad habit of spending too much time by myself, and sometimes really wished I could get out of the house more. I just didn't. But my manner of interacting with people when I do go out, although it's not 'center of attention look at ME' stuff, is extraverted.

    And so I decided I was an extravert, though it's fairly moderate/low.

    Also, try not to confuse being social and confident with being E - we can be shy, too! ^^ Though 'desperately want to go out and be more social' does sound to me like an E who's in the habit of not being social.

    A better indicator is more like, if you're with a bunch of people you don't necessarily know well for a long while - at the end of the day, do you feel tired and need some time to yourself, to recoup? Or do you find that you're more energised, and wouldn't mind staying around the people longer?

    It probably won't be that clear-cut, but maybe that'll help some?

    (Okay, I'm totally giving you conflicting advice. >< I'm sorry! I hope you can make more sense of it, though.)

    Quote Originally Posted by alicia91 View Post
    I took the Short Form test that Maverick posted. I'm depressed, I must be the most average person ever. Here are my scores:
    You know what? Average usually just means well-rounded.

    Don't worry, you'll work your type out eventually. Even if you decide on xSxJ, or something. Plenty of others do.
    ANFP:
    Extraversion (52%) ---- Introversion (48%)
    Sensing (26%) ---- iNtuition (74%)
    Thinking (16%) ---- Feeling (84%)
    Judging (5%) ---- Perceiving (95%)

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    It's always been a bit of an insecurity of mine that I'm so 'average' in many ways. I'm really a 'Jack-of-All-Trades' in SO many ways but 'Master of Nothing.' On the other hand I get complimented on the fact that I'm well-rounded, and willing to do all sorts of things, have a lot of hobbies and interests. Yet I can't think of any real 'talents.' Maybe I need to discover some?

    But my manner of interacting with people when I do go out, although it's not 'center of attention look at ME' stuff, is extraverted.
    How exactly do E's interact versus I's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arcticangel02 View Post
    You know what? Average usually just means well-rounded.
    Just to emphasise this - average scores on FFM (I didn't see the link, but I am assuming it was NEO) are a good thing... generally speaking, a very good thing.

    From the FFM score, you are going to have a hell of a time getting a clear answer from MBTI... the only thing that I would say is likely is that you are a S

    As far as as the E/I thing goes - I'd ask yourself "do you have more positive emotions than most people"... if you do, then you are an E. If you have a lack of positive emotions, then you are an I. You would be looking for how excitable you are, how long you are happy for, etc. Don't think about negative emotions in this, just positive "happy/satisfied" types of feelings. It's a limited, but it has strong biological ties that are (next to) impossible to hide. Just avoid thinking about negative periods in particular (stress and such do dampen positive emotions).

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    That's good to know that 'average' is a postive thing!

    As far as as the E/I thing goes - I'd ask yourself "do you have more positive emotions than most people"... if you do, then you are an E. If you have a lack of positive emotions, then you are an I.
    Even though my mom called me a 'wet blanket' I think I'm fairly perky. So I'm leaning towards positive.

    I'm seriously leaning towards ESTJ based on studying dominant, secondary, etc. processes.

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    I just read all the posts in this discussion today, and from the original post and the conversation that followed, I would say the following:

    Going by Keirsey temperament, you sound quite a bit like an SJ. I do not see a preference for N at all. (Not that you don't ever use it, of course, but I sure don't see a preference for it over S.)

    You also do sound extroverted, though how extroverted I couldn't really say. An extroverted SJ would extrovert their decision-making function (T or F), which would lead to the person being more adept at managing people and things in their "outer world."

    Based on this, I would make an educated guess of ESTJ or ESFJ.

    Do remember that any type "test" can yield an inaccurate result, even when taken carefully. To maximize your chances of an accurate result, answer the questions as you would when not under any kind of outside pressure (work or social expectations) and with regard to how you are naturally (that is to say, if a person is naturally a strong thinker but has consciously worked at developing their feeling function, they should answer questions as their natural inclinations would have them answer, not as they would answer after working on developing their weaker functions). This can be a bit challenging and can take more time for self-reflection, but should be rewarding.

    As far as creativity goes, I think any type can be creative, though they may show that creativity in different ways. Interior design, gardening and landscaping seem like fitting modes of creativity for an SJ, in that they manifestly involve the use of the five senses (S preference) and are practical (especially since you have made a business from this venture!) and involve hearth and home.

    I hope this helps!

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    I think you are right autumn about needing to do the quiz using the natural tendency, and not the 'developed' ones. That's so much easier said than done! Especially when you are my age and have read a lot of self-help books! But I now think that the F function is something that I've conciously worked on and I believe it's made be a better, more rounded person, but nevertheless, I believe it's not as natural to me as thinking.

    So for now, I'm going to go with XSTJ. I know I'm near the middle of the spectrum on the I versus E, and it's really impossible for me to tell. Yesterday I thought E but today I'm thinking it's I. I'm going to work on getting out more and socializing and see how it makes me feel. Then I'll probably fill in that last letter.

    Thanks!

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    The Every Day Use of Multiple Models

    For really difficult typing, I recommend Character and Personality Type.

    I think with as difficult a typing job as yours, it would be important to avoid any "forced fits". For instance, I think, you may have forced fit J for yourself.

    Not to add to your confusion, but have you completely ruled out the xSTPs?

    Getting slight scores in one direction or another mean very little, IMO.

    There are a lot of dichotomies, not just the 4 MBTI ones(some seem like minor "rotations" of the main MBTI ones).

    It'd be interesting to see if any of these other distinctions are absolutely clear. The ones that aren't clear, I would leave alone for a while.

    1. Another way to think of E vs. I:Initiating vs. Responding. Do you tend to initiate or respond to people more often.
    2. Another way to think of N vs. S: Abstract vs. Concrete -- You seem concrete.
    3. Directing vs. Informing:This is close to J vs. P but not quite. It is a reflection of the type and purpose of the language you use (which reflects a bit of what happens in your mind). Do you generally use language more to "direct" people (in what could certainly be a helpful way) or to "inform" people (in ways that can certainly help them find direction).

      ESTPs, and ISTPs are more directing types (despite being Ps), while ESFJs, and ISFJs are more informing types (despite being Js).
    4. Do you aim to control outcomes, or to ensure movement towards goals?
    5. Are you focused more on how people are structured or in how to motivate them?
    6. Do you prefer peer/comrade relationships or relationships like teacher-student, mentor-protege?


    In addition to the dichotomies, there are the 4 temperaments, the 4 interaction styles, and the 8 cognitive processes. It would be interesting how you rank them.

    Again, if the preferences aren't clear, IMO that they don't need to be ranked (just give them a "tie")

    1. Temperaments
      1. Artisan - Focused on having the freedom to act and making an impact
      2. Guardian - Focused on responsibilities and desire to be reliable
      3. Idealist - Focused on meaning and identity w/ regard to higher purposes
      4. Rational - Focused on competence and having the skills to deal with life well.
    2. Interaction Styles
      1. In-Charge - likes to take the lead
      2. Get-Things-Going - likes to make things happen
      3. Chart-the-Course - likes to make sure we are on track
      4. Behind-the-scenes - likes to make sure we chose the right track

    3. Cognitive Processes
      You took the test with regard to this. We kind-of know your preferences.


    There are also "flavors" of type that affect behavior. The ones listed in the book, I recommended are (again, if none of these are clear, IMO of the opinion it is better to just move-on):
    1. participative vs. independent styles: Even if recharged more by being with people, extraverts can be very independent. Even if recharged more by solatary activities, and introvert can be very "team" oriented.
      an extravert who is independent can seem introverted initially, while an introvert who is participative can seem extraverted.
    2. Local vs. Global perspective:People with local perspectives like to focus on their community and family, while people with a global perspective like to focus on things like the economy and world-affairs. Global perspective people can seem more abstract than they really are, and people with local perspective can seem more concrete than they actually are.
    3. hard vs. soft demeanor:Success orientation vs. self-awareness orientation. I think this is the same as Type A vs. B. IMO, being type A, can make you seem more like a J. Being type B can make you seem more like a P.
    4. Mainstream vs. Counter-Culture attitude:IMO, being counter-culture can make you seem more interested in peer-relationships that you are, while being mainstream can make you seem more interested in mentor-protege relationships than you really are.


    Beyond that there are 8 life themes identified:
    physical, creative - makes you seem like an SP
    academic, entrepreneurial - makes you seem like an NT
    community, establishment - makes you seem like an SJ
    political, growth - makes you seem like an NF

    I probably didn't help clarify your type. But I think it is only really valuable to know your type if it can explain things about yourself that you didn't know before.

    I am still coming to terms with my "INTPness". There are many aspects that I don't like about myself, that are really stereotypically INTP pitfalls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alicia91 View Post
    I think you are right autumn about needing to do the quiz using the natural tendency, and not the 'developed' ones. That's so much easier said than done! Especially when you are my age and have read a lot of self-help books! But I now think that the F function is something that I've conciously worked on and I believe it's made be a better, more rounded person, but nevertheless, I believe it's not as natural to me as thinking.

    So for now, I'm going to go with XSTJ. I know I'm near the middle of the spectrum on the I versus E, and it's really impossible for me to tell. Yesterday I thought E but today I'm thinking it's I. I'm going to work on getting out more and socializing and see how it makes me feel. Then I'll probably fill in that last letter.

    Thanks!
    My 21 year old ISTJ daughter is convinced she's an E when in fact she's an I. She thinks she's an E because she "needs" her friends. This puzzled me for a long time, too. But I learned that her need to spend so much time with her friends was not an E trait but rather the SJ in her. SJs tend to be very relationship oriented.

    I was convinced she was an I because she would come home from school, head straight to her room, close the door, and spend the next several hours doing homework. If we opened the door or disturbed her, we would get yelled at.

    If she doesn't get enough time alone, she gets irritable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    ...But I think it is only really valuable to know your type if it can explain things about yourself that you didn't know before.....
    You are SO RIGHT about that!
    MBTI has helped me so much in this regard!




    Thanks for the book recommendation.

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    Thanks to both of you!

    ygolo - thanks for all that information. You've given me a lot to investigate. I don't think I'll have time to delve into it this weekend - got to finish Christmas decorating, but I will report back on Monday. I suppose I haven't completely ruled out the P type at this point, but the main thing that points to J is that I absolutely want 'closure' about relationships and I generally feel better about things when they are wrapped up. I used to think that I had a time managment problem (well, perhaps I do?) because I just can't leave something that isn't at a logical concluding point KWIM? Then it messes up everything else I was supposed to do.

    INTJMom - that's very interesting about your daughter thinking that she's an E when she is an I. I honestly believe I'm somewhere near the middle of the spectrum, but whenever I read something about E's versus I's I think "that's ME!" then I read something about the other type and think "no, that's more ME!" and so on, back and forth. Well, at this point, I'm going to say that if I am around other people too long I need to recharge, but if I'm alone too much (or just with my immediate family) then I need to get out and socialize and I feel much better.

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