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    Quote Originally Posted by arcticangel02 View Post
    Oh, I disagree.

    Given, I only have one person to work off of, but I find when he's doing something (especially trying to fix something) and it isn't working out, he'll steadily get more and more frustrated with himself before he goes BOOM. He usually then goes away to vent and calm down on his own.

    But, hmm, now that I think on it, if it is an issue between people, he does get a little self-righteous and avoids responsibility. I remember on a recent holiday, he got a bit sulky (lol) because everyone was expecting him to make decisions and he wasn't comfortable with just making decisions on the fly. He eventually upped and left the room (venting), leaving the rest of us to work out a plan. He did calm down and come back, but definitely initially, yeah, he did avoid dealing with it. Although I tend to think that's also because he knows he doesn't deal with things well when he's angry, so he doesn't. *shrug* Does that sound about right? This was a little while ago, so my memory may be inventing things.

    Oh, and the impromptu nature of travelling stresses him a little, too.
    Aye carumba!! Sounds like my father too!!! He's ENTJ though.

    Hmm must be both ExTJs.....You sure your's is an S? Mines confirmed by various tests and "experts" but they do sound very similar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alicia91 View Post
    OMG yes! Unless, it's at least partly MY idea that we should change the plans (if the dancing looks boring for example). If I plan something that people want to change, especially at the last minute, my feelings are usually very hurt.
    Okay, theoretical: Say you have a close friend who has an on-off SO who's generally unreliable, has a number of bad habits, and is generally, in your opinion, bad for your friend. What would your approach be? Would you let it be, or would you get involved? How?

    I have an ESFJ friend in this situation, so I want to see if your response matches up with how she's dealing with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Aye carumba!! Sounds like my father too!!! He's ENTJ though.

    Hmm must be both ExTJs.....You sure your's is an S? Mines confirmed by various tests and "experts" but they do sound very similar.
    Haha! Maybe it's just a 'dad' thing. XD

    Um, I'm almost certain he's an S. He's never taken any professional tests (he doesn't really have any patience with theoretical things like this!) but both me and my mother think he fits the ESTJ description to a T. Given, I'm hardly experienced at typing people, so.... :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by alicia91 View Post
    OMG yes! Unless, it's at least partly MY idea that we should change the plans (if the dancing looks boring for example). If I plan something that people want to change, especially at the last minute, my feelings are usually very hurt.
    That screams xSFJ to me...I've never met another type who reacts that way, and I never quite understood why they get hurt by it.

    Both my ESFJ friends are also very touchy-feely and huggy and "girl-talk"-y, but only with people they know/like. And also very generous and self-sacrificing for friends/family. Is that you? Maybe if you're ISFJ though you wouldn't be as affectionate though, I don't know.

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    Errm ENFJs get hurt by that too.

    Trust me I've offended more than my share!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Errm ENFJs get hurt by that too.

    Trust me I've offended more than my share!!
    My bad, I meant I've never met another type who does that.

    I don't know any ENFJs IRL to my knowledge.

    Pretty much everything described here seems to point to S over N though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    My bad, I meant I've never met another type who does that.

    I don't know any ENFJs IRL to my knowledge.

    Pretty much everything described here seems to point to S over N though.
    You reckon? I keep getting a sense of pattern recognition in the notes. Something about not just being locked in an instant but being aware of the larger picture. Now it could be a developed S or it could be an N.... I'm not too sure.
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    I have to say I'm with Randomnity. She does seem more S to me (in my limited typing experience), and a lot of the things she's saying remind me of the ESxx's I know, rather than the ENxx's. And we can safely say she's not an INxx? :P But my vote goes for a developed S.
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    I believe that I AM aware of the larger picture in most situations and do look at long-term implications. Not sure if this is how I've always been, might just have come with age.

    That screams xSFJ to me...I've never met another type who reacts that way, and I never quite understood why they get hurt by it.
    My take - I put time and thought (usually lots of thought, and perhaps research - read 20 restaurant reviews!) into finding just the right place to go, then when you change your mind about it, I feel like you just rejected something I gave you. I know that sounds neurotic but that's how I feel. But when that happens I generally won't fight it, because 'looking at the big picture' it's just not worth bickering over where we should go for dinner. So I'll just smile and say 'whatever' while also thinking 'next time, why don't you just make the plans in the first place, that way I didn't have to waste my time.'


    Okay, theoretical: Say you have a close friend who has an on-off SO who's generally unreliable, has a number of bad habits, and is generally, in your opinion, bad for your friend. What would your approach be? Would you let it be, or would you get involved? How?
    Very good question! When I was younger (say a teen) I would have gotten involved and nagged her about his bad qualities, why she is too good for him and possibly tried to hook her up with someone better. Now that I'm older and have mostly concluded that nobody is perfect, and people need to WANT to change their situations THEMSELVES, I would let it go. However, if there was a lot of complaining from my friend, I would certainly say something. For example, lets say my friend was intelligent, educated and ambitious and her SO was a uneducated, lazy, idiot, when she complained I would say 'I've always know you as a person who has strong convictions about what you want in life, I guess ending up with 'Joe' is part of that, though I'm not sure how he fits in. What exactly do you see in him?' If she were to ask directly 'what do you think of Joe?' I would say 'seems kind of uneducated and lazy, but perhaps he has lots of great qualities that make up for those?'

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    I'm reading up on ESFJ & ESTJ types and the thing that strikes me is that neither is thought of as 'creative' from what I can tell.

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