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    Iím trying to figure out if Iím an INFJ (with high Ti) or INTJ (With high Fi). Iíve been taking MBTI tests since I was about 15ish and have gotten INFJ 99% of the time. I used to fit the description perfectly. As a kid I was a ďfeelerĒ, although I was also very analytical. I was lost in my thoughts a lot. I didnít fit in because I just wasnít interested in what most other kids were interested in. I saw the consequences to potential actions, so I decided not to do something stupid because I knew I wouldnít get away with it. Most of my life has been spent in a deep depression. I have always been capable of being logical but I ignored the logic in favor of emotion (especially during my teenage years). This, of course, got me into trouble. I have multiple suicide attempts and hospital stays under my belt. But last year something happened and I was forced into a sink or swim situation. It was a huge reality check. I made the choice to put logic and reason above emotion, especially when it comes to decision making, because Iíve learned that I canít trust emotion like I can logic. So, lately Iíve been testing INTJ. When I read the description for INTJs it fits me very well. I donít think I fit the INFJ description nearly as well as the INTJ one. I donít know if it was my hormones which made my F more prominent during adolescence or if the ďreality checkĒ last year made my T more obvious.

    I made a list to hopefully help:

    - Iím a perfectionist. Iím not satisfied until something is finished or decided upon. I can be quite anal and controlling.
    - I have difficulty making decisions because I can see so many different sides to something. My mind can be really conflicted and I tend to send mixed messages because I canít make up my mind or donít know how to express my feelings.
    - I feel a lot and usually donít have trouble expressing my feelings. I can get pretty hung up, though, on the correct word to use to describe exactly what Iím feeling. So, sometimes I can send mixed messages because Iím unsure of exactly what it is, which tends to irritate people.
    - Iíve always been empathetic. I can understand where people are coming from. I can see all sides of an argument. And I think situation should be taken into account. Itís not always black and white. Although I can be compassionate and understanding, Iím not afraid to let people know what I think of them and their actions.
    - Iím so analytical. I think and think and get lost in my thoughts all the time. I have trouble falling asleep because of it. I canít seem to stop thinking. I critique everything. I try not to be quick to judge, but I am. I might not verbalize what Iím thinking right off, though, because I want to make sure I have all the information needed before making a decision.
    - I can read people and situations quite well. I can see how events will play out. All the possible outcomes. I can tell if someone is fake or genuine (especially in person). I notice details and it helps me to understand people and where they are coming from and if they are being honest.
    - Although I can be detail-oriented, I donít get so lost in the details that I canít see the big picture. I am able to use the little details I see to apply to my understanding of the big picture, so that Iím better equipped to make decisions.
    - I can be sensitive. I can be hurt easily, especially by people Iím close with. This alone makes me think Iím an INFJ, because I've heard that INTJs arenít sensitive.
    - Iím incredibly shy. I donít open up to people I donít know well. Most people, who think they know me, donít.
    - I donít like that I discriminate people by intelligence, but I do. I only really talk to people I think are worthy. I have pretty high standards. If someone doesnít meet them, I usually block that person out.
    - I can be harsh with people. Iím more of a ďtough-loveĒ kind of person. Overly emotional people really irritate me. I canít deal with them for very long. Iím not saying I canít handle a healthy dose of emotion now and again, but when people are so caught up in their feelings that they fail to realize they have options, it really gets to me. Whatís even worse is people who do things just for attention. When I encounter people like this, I usually call them on it or just ignore them because they arenít worth my time. And, no, this doesnít make me feel guilty.
    - I suck at math.
    - I love art. Iím drawn to artsy, intellectual pursuits. I love music and I write poetry.
    - I also love languages. Different languages and ways of speaking and communicating fascinate me.
    - I donít like conflict, but I wonít avoid it if I think itís necessary or inevitable. In fact, I tend to ďget it over withĒ if Iím able to foresee it happening anyways.
    - I prefer closure to things being open-ended. I feel better after a decision has been made.
    - I really like to label myself. I like to know exactly what I am and how I think. I can handle other people not being labeled (though I prefer that they are) but when it comes to myself, I feel this need to have a label. I want to be able to understand myself better.
    - I can come off being nosy with people I know well and am close with. I'm not nosy because I like to know peoples business, I'm nosy because I'm a planner. And the more information I have, the better plan I can have for the future, whether it be near or far off.

    I took the cognitive functions test and here are my results:

    - ***************** Te

    - *************** Ni

    - *************** Ti

    - ************* Fi

    - ************* Ne

    - ************ Si

    - *********** Fe

    - *** Se

    Your Possible Type Code

    According to the traditional sorting method of finding the most-used functional pairs (such as Fi-Ne), your type might be:

    Possible result: INTJ
    We are also trying a new sorting method to try to indicate best-fit type. This method is experimental and may not match your type.

    Your Developmental Report
    Your pattern of responses indicates a developmental level in each cognitive processes. Since this is experimental, this report may be in error.

    Se
    You notice this process and enjoy when others use it but only occassionally find yourself engaging in it. You may marvel at others who do it very well. It doesn't appear useful to you personally and can annoy you if others use it too much.

    Si,Fe

    You actively use this process in your daily life as a useful tool or helpful aid. You could live without it but use definitely contributes to the what you do and who you are. You can work with others using this process, usually in a support role.

    Ni,Ti,Ne,Fi
    You create value, aid others and get things done everyday using this process. You function well here, know all the ins and outs, strengths and limits of this process. You have made this process your own, something personal and unique to you.

    Te
    You sustain and grow yourself and those around you long-term through this process. You are at your best, your peak creative and leadership moments when engaged in this process. This is a lead role; it is who you are and what you truly do.

    (The chart didn't want to paste correctly, so I replaced the blocks with asterisks.)



    I know this is really long, but I wanted to give as much information as I could think of.

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    "I suck at math"
    you're an INFJ

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    I don't have much time right now, so just a few questions off the top of my head:

    Would you describe yourself as a contingency planner? The sort of person who not only thinks things through in advance, but actually follows through with the plans they lay out? Or do you easily change your mind and make quick decisions on-the-fly when in the thick of things? Do you feel the need to take responsibility for things and brandish a little authority, or would you be content to just "let things happen" if allowed to?

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    "I suck at math"
    you're an INFJ
    go awai
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    Quote Originally Posted by boats and birds View Post
    Iím trying to figure out if Iím an INFJ (with high Ti) or INTJ (With high Fi). Iíve been taking MBTI tests since I was about 15ish and have gotten INFJ 99% of the time. I used to fit the description perfectly. As a kid I was a ďfeelerĒ, although I was also very analytical. I was lost in my thoughts a lot. I didnít fit in because I just wasnít interested in what most other kids were interested in. I saw the consequences to potential actions, so I decided not to do something stupid because I knew I wouldnít get away with it. Most of my life has been spent in a deep depression. I have always been capable of being logical but I ignored the logic in favor of emotion (especially during my teenage years). This, of course, got me into trouble. I have multiple suicide attempts and hospital stays under my belt. But last year something happened and I was forced into a sink or swim situation. It was a huge reality check. I made the choice to put logic and reason above emotion, especially when it comes to decision making, because Iíve learned that I canít trust emotion like I can logic. So, lately Iíve been testing INTJ. When I read the description for INTJs it fits me very well. I donít think I fit the INFJ description nearly as well as the INTJ one. I donít know if it was my hormones which made my F more prominent during adolescence or if the ďreality checkĒ last year made my T more obvious.

    I made a list to hopefully help:

    - Iím a perfectionist. Iím not satisfied until something is finished or decided upon. I can be quite anal and controlling.
    - I have difficulty making decisions because I can see so many different sides to something. My mind can be really conflicted and I tend to send mixed messages because I canít make up my mind or donít know how to express my feelings.
    - I feel a lot and usually donít have trouble expressing my feelings. I can get pretty hung up, though, on the correct word to use to describe exactly what Iím feeling. So, sometimes I can send mixed messages because Iím unsure of exactly what it is, which tends to irritate people.
    - Iíve always been empathetic. I can understand where people are coming from. I can see all sides of an argument. And I think situation should be taken into account. Itís not always black and white. Although I can be compassionate and understanding, Iím not afraid to let people know what I think of them and their actions.
    - Iím so analytical. I think and think and get lost in my thoughts all the time. I have trouble falling asleep because of it. I canít seem to stop thinking. I critique everything. I try not to be quick to judge, but I am. I might not verbalize what Iím thinking right off, though, because I want to make sure I have all the information needed before making a decision.
    - I can read people and situations quite well. I can see how events will play out. All the possible outcomes. I can tell if someone is fake or genuine (especially in person). I notice details and it helps me to understand people and where they are coming from and if they are being honest.
    - Although I can be detail-oriented, I donít get so lost in the details that I canít see the big picture. I am able to use the little details I see to apply to my understanding of the big picture, so that Iím better equipped to make decisions.
    - I can be sensitive. I can be hurt easily, especially by people Iím close with. This alone makes me think Iím an INFJ, because I've heard that INTJs arenít sensitive.
    - Iím incredibly shy. I donít open up to people I donít know well. Most people, who think they know me, donít.
    - I donít like that I discriminate people by intelligence, but I do. I only really talk to people I think are worthy. I have pretty high standards. If someone doesnít meet them, I usually block that person out.
    - I can be harsh with people. Iím more of a ďtough-loveĒ kind of person. Overly emotional people really irritate me. I canít deal with them for very long. Iím not saying I canít handle a healthy dose of emotion now and again, but when people are so caught up in their feelings that they fail to realize they have options, it really gets to me. Whatís even worse is people who do things just for attention. When I encounter people like this, I usually call them on it or just ignore them because they arenít worth my time. And, no, this doesnít make me feel guilty.
    - I suck at math.
    - I love art. Iím drawn to artsy, intellectual pursuits. I love music and I write poetry.
    - I also love languages. Different languages and ways of speaking and communicating fascinate me.
    - I donít like conflict, but I wonít avoid it if I think itís necessary or inevitable. In fact, I tend to ďget it over withĒ if Iím able to foresee it happening anyways.
    - I prefer closure to things being open-ended. I feel better after a decision has been made.
    - I really like to label myself. I like to know exactly what I am and how I think. I can handle other people not being labeled (though I prefer that they are) but when it comes to myself, I feel this need to have a label. I want to be able to understand myself better.
    - I can come off being nosy with people I know well and am close with. I'm not nosy because I like to know peoples business, I'm nosy because I'm a planner. And the more information I have, the better plan I can have for the future, whether it be near or far off.

    I took the cognitive functions test and here are my results:

    - ***************** Te

    - *************** Ni

    - *************** Ti

    - ************* Fi

    - ************* Ne

    - ************ Si

    - *********** Fe

    - *** Se

    Your Possible Type Code

    According to the traditional sorting method of finding the most-used functional pairs (such as Fi-Ne), your type might be:

    Possible result: INTJ
    We are also trying a new sorting method to try to indicate best-fit type. This method is experimental and may not match your type.

    Your Developmental Report
    Your pattern of responses indicates a developmental level in each cognitive processes. Since this is experimental, this report may be in error.

    Se
    You notice this process and enjoy when others use it but only occassionally find yourself engaging in it. You may marvel at others who do it very well. It doesn't appear useful to you personally and can annoy you if others use it too much.

    Si,Fe

    You actively use this process in your daily life as a useful tool or helpful aid. You could live without it but use definitely contributes to the what you do and who you are. You can work with others using this process, usually in a support role.

    Ni,Ti,Ne,Fi
    You create value, aid others and get things done everyday using this process. You function well here, know all the ins and outs, strengths and limits of this process. You have made this process your own, something personal and unique to you.

    Te
    You sustain and grow yourself and those around you long-term through this process. You are at your best, your peak creative and leadership moments when engaged in this process. This is a lead role; it is who you are and what you truly do.

    (The chart didn't want to paste correctly, so I replaced the blocks with asterisks.)



    I know this is really long, but I wanted to give as much information as I could think of.
    Not surprisingly, you come across to me as an INFJ and not as an INTJ.

    You might find this helpful: INFJ or INTJ?

    I am sorry you've been through so much unhappiness in your brief time on this planet. Feel free to message me if you need to talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    I don't have much time right now, so just a few questions off the top of my head:

    Would you describe yourself as a contingency planner? The sort of person who not only thinks things through in advance, but actually follows through with the plans they lay out? Or do you easily change your mind and make quick decisions on-the-fly when in the thick of things?
    I do both, to be honest. It takes me a long time to make a decision, but usually when I've made one I stick with it. But sometimes, if I'm sick of just sitting around thinking about something and not able to come up with a definite answer I just pick the option that seems best, even if I'm still torn between them, I just deal. I have to trust it was the best I could come up with.

    Do you feel the need to take responsibility for things and brandish a little authority, or would you be content to just "let things happen" if allowed to?
    I'm more the type to take responsibility. I'm not a "go with the flow" type of person at all. I wouldn't be comfortable just to "let things happen". I need to be in control of the situation and not feel handled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cool View Post
    "I suck at math"
    you're an INFJ
    LOL! Exactly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fecal McAngry View Post
    Not surprisingly, you come across to me as an INFJ and not as an INTJ.

    You might find this helpful: INFJ or INTJ?

    I am sorry you've been through so much unhappiness in your brief time on this planet. Feel free to message me if you need to talk.
    I've been to that site before. Vicky Jo rubs me the wrong way. After watching the video at the bottom I wanted to pinch her. I like her husband, though.

    I've taken the temperaments test and come out as a Theorist most of the time. It's usually followed by either Catalyst or Stabilizer. The most recent one I've taken came out Theorist first and Stabilizer second highest.

    From the descriptions on that site, I fit INTJ better, though there are of course some INFJ qualities that apply to me as well. I'm not interested in having a lot of deep and meaningful relationships. I have two people I would consider myself to be close to: my mom and boyfriend. I don't have friends. I'm not interested in having lots of friends. One or two maybe, but it's difficult for me to fit in with most people. I'm just not interested in the things most of my peers are interested in. It doesn't bother me that I'm a "loner". But, just because I'm not interested in relationships with people doesn't mean I don't understand them. I get people. I can read them well.

    My Fi and Ti seem balanced to me. I analyze everything and want to make sure I understand something before delving into it. But I also know what is important to me. I wont get involved with something I don't think is worth my time.

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    I can relate to almost every single thing you said. You sound VERY INTJ to me...Maybe Fi got the best of you when you were young? I also suffer from depression and while not suicidal can relate to a depressive state of mind. Besides, that young version of you might have just been your 'unhealthy' INTJ side. I know when I run into deep depression my emotions friggin RULE me. Still learning to manage them efficiently. That damn Fi

    You're a tough-love kinda gal? Totally INTJ Understanding yourself and labelling...very INTJ. We love putting things into categories and are obsessed with self-awareness and analyzing ourselves to death.

    I'm INTJ and I suck at math But I love the arts just like you. Could be that wing 4 in Enneagram. I think that's what all the mushy INTJ's are. Do you know your Enneagram?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boats and birds View Post
    Iím trying to figure out if Iím an INFJ (with high Ti) or INTJ (With high Fi). Iíve been taking MBTI tests since I was about 15ish and have gotten INFJ 99% of the time. I used to fit the description perfectly. As a kid I was a ďfeelerĒ, although I was also very analytical. I was lost in my thoughts a lot. I didnít fit in because I just wasnít interested in what most other kids were interested in. I saw the consequences to potential actions, so I decided not to do something stupid because I knew I wouldnít get away with it. Most of my life has been spent in a deep depression. I have always been capable of being logical but I ignored the logic in favor of emotion (especially during my teenage years). This, of course, got me into trouble. I have multiple suicide attempts and hospital stays under my belt. But last year something happened and I was forced into a sink or swim situation. It was a huge reality check. I made the choice to put logic and reason above emotion, especially when it comes to decision making, because Iíve learned that I canít trust emotion like I can logic. So, lately Iíve been testing INTJ. When I read the description for INTJs it fits me very well. I donít think I fit the INFJ description nearly as well as the INTJ one. I donít know if it was my hormones which made my F more prominent during adolescence or if the ďreality checkĒ last year made my T more obvious.

    I made a list to hopefully help:

    - Iím a perfectionist. Iím not satisfied until something is finished or decided upon. I can be quite anal and controlling.
    - I have difficulty making decisions because I can see so many different sides to something. My mind can be really conflicted and I tend to send mixed messages because I canít make up my mind or donít know how to express my feelings.
    - I feel a lot and usually donít have trouble expressing my feelings. I can get pretty hung up, though, on the correct word to use to describe exactly what Iím feeling. So, sometimes I can send mixed messages because Iím unsure of exactly what it is, which tends to irritate people.
    - Iíve always been empathetic. I can understand where people are coming from. I can see all sides of an argument. And I think situation should be taken into account. Itís not always black and white. Although I can be compassionate and understanding, Iím not afraid to let people know what I think of them and their actions.
    - Iím so analytical. I think and think and get lost in my thoughts all the time. I have trouble falling asleep because of it. I canít seem to stop thinking. I critique everything. I try not to be quick to judge, but I am. I might not verbalize what Iím thinking right off, though, because I want to make sure I have all the information needed before making a decision.
    - I can read people and situations quite well. I can see how events will play out. All the possible outcomes. I can tell if someone is fake or genuine (especially in person). I notice details and it helps me to understand people and where they are coming from and if they are being honest.
    - Although I can be detail-oriented, I donít get so lost in the details that I canít see the big picture. I am able to use the little details I see to apply to my understanding of the big picture, so that Iím better equipped to make decisions.
    - I can be sensitive. I can be hurt easily, especially by people Iím close with. This alone makes me think Iím an INFJ, because I've heard that INTJs arenít sensitive.
    - Iím incredibly shy. I donít open up to people I donít know well. Most people, who think they know me, donít.
    - I donít like that I discriminate people by intelligence, but I do. I only really talk to people I think are worthy. I have pretty high standards. If someone doesnít meet them, I usually block that person out.
    - I can be harsh with people. Iím more of a ďtough-loveĒ kind of person. Overly emotional people really irritate me. I canít deal with them for very long. Iím not saying I canít handle a healthy dose of emotion now and again, but when people are so caught up in their feelings that they fail to realize they have options, it really gets to me. Whatís even worse is people who do things just for attention. When I encounter people like this, I usually call them on it or just ignore them because they arenít worth my time. And, no, this doesnít make me feel guilty.
    I suck at math.
    - I love art. Iím drawn to artsy, intellectual pursuits.
    love music and write poetry.
    - I also love languages. Different languages and ways of speaking and communicating fascinate me.
    - I donít like conflict, but I wonít avoid it if I think itís necessary or inevitable. In fact, I tend to ďget it over withĒ if Iím able to foresee it happening anyways.

    - I prefer closure to things being open-ended. I feel better after a decision has been made.
    - I really like to label myself. I like to know exactly what I am and how I think. I can handle other people not being labeled (though I prefer that they are) but when it comes to myself, I feel this need to have a label. I want to be able to understand myself better.
    - I can come off being nosy with people I know well and am close with. I'm not nosy because I like to know peoples business, I'm nosy because I'm a planner. And the more information I have, the better plan I can have for the future, whether it be near or far off.
    It seems like depression is inherited and a chemical thing. I'm sorry that you've had these challenges. You're not alone. A number of people who have been close to me have had issues with this.

    As far as type goes, I really don't know any INFJs other than the ones on this forum, but most of the items you list resonate with me as an INTJ (or have at one point or another) except for the ones in bold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thescientist View Post
    I can relate to almost every single thing you said. You sound VERY INTJ to me...Maybe Fi got the best of you when you were young? I also suffer from depression and while not suicidal can relate to a depressive state of mind. Besides, that young version of you might have just been your 'unhealthy' INTJ side. I know when I run into deep depression my emotions friggin RULE me. Still learning to manage them efficiently. That damn Fi

    You're a tough-love kinda gal? Totally INTJ Understanding yourself and labelling...very INTJ. We love putting things into categories and are obsessed with self-awareness and analyzing ourselves to death.

    I'm INTJ and I suck at math But I love the arts just like you. Could be that wing 4 in Enneagram. I think that's what all the mushy INTJ's are. Do you know your Enneagram?
    I've tested differently on each enneagram test I take. It's different with each site. But I think I fit 6 the best. I relate well to both 6w5 and 6w7 but I think 6w7 is more accurate.

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