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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Damnit Tink, I wish you weren't into astrology, because you are actually making sense about MBTI, and psychometrics as an academic study.
    Last edited by tinkerbell; 01-07-2010 at 04:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitzy View Post
    dont hate. astrology rules
    It doesn't...

    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    Don't do that. She's going to take you seriously, and that only perpetuates the problem.
    ... and she's being pretty grounded and rational in her explanations, at least about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    That!!
    Maybe you're an ISFJ imagining that you're an ENTP!

    Ohright sensors can't imagine stuff.
    () 9w8-3w4-7w6 tritype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCat View Post
    Maybe you're an ISFJ imagining that you're an ENTP!

    Ohright sensors can't imagine stuff.
    I don't know dude. I've taken test after test and all report ENTP (with the exception of a couple INTP results). That's proof right there, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    Tinkerbell, you are so far the only "psychologist"/"scientist" I know that says MBTI is scientific.

    Have we not already said that questionnaires are susceptible to a whole slew of biases? How do you evaluate for internal reliability? I don't see how doing it again after 6months is going to eliminate errors in self-report. Science doesn't just repeat a bunch of correlatory experiments and statistical analyses to prove that they've reached a conclusion. They find a correlation and then attempt to find a causal relationship. Where is the causal relationship here? What causes certain cognitive functions in a person? How can we use this causal relationship to measure cognitive functions?
    You know I write things and people read what is in their heads....

    I'm not a sicentist I'm a market researcher... nor am I a psycologist although I buy them in....

    I have at no point claimed MBTI is science, it's just a segmentation - a bit posher than some but still its a classification system....which can be evaluated.. but it's expensive to do

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    ... and she's being pretty grounded and rational in her explanations, at least about this.
    Grounded and rational, sure. But convincing? No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    I don't know dude. I've taken test after test and all report ENTP (with the exception of a couple INTP results). That's proof right there, isn't it?
    But you can't prove this stuff because there is no empirical evidence!
    () 9w8-3w4-7w6 tritype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    Motion to evict any ENTP club members who are interested in astrology and cast them into the ENFP club.
    Seconded.


    Quote Originally Posted by tinkerbell View Post
    You know I write things and people read what is in their heads....

    I'm not a sicentist I'm a market researcher... nor am I a psycologist although I buy them in....

    I have at no point claimed MBTI is science, it's just a segmentation - a bit posher than some but still its a classification system....which can be evaluated.. but it's expensive to do
    It can be evaluated for consistency, not accuracy in its descriptions.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    Have we not already said that questionnaires are susceptible to a whole slew of biases? How do you evaluate for internal reliability? I don't see how doing it again after 6months is going to eliminate errors in self-report. Science doesn't just repeat a bunch of correlatory experiments and statistical analyses to prove that they've reached a conclusion. They find a correlation and then attempt to find a causal relationship. Where is the causal relationship here? What causes certain cognitive functions in a person? How can we use this causal relationship to measure cognitive functions?
    ALL self completion questionnaire are liable to biase

    All research is flawed... even medical research...

    When you are dealing with quant, it's about limiting error and trying to reduce it down as far as possible.

    MBTI isn't being used to save babies... so it only needs to be good enough for people to use it with some common sense to help them understand peoples behaviour... it's sutiably stable enough for doing that.

    I wouldn't offer up conclusions on peoples lives off the back of it.... but I would say largely useful

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    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    I don't really see how this test/retest process eliminates error. You are still relying on self-report. If people have it in their head that they behave a certain way, are their opinions of themselves really going to change after a few months? It'd be nice if you could actually find a biological/chemical reason for these functions, and a questionnaire doesn't really do that.
    Test/retest doesn't totally eliminate error, but it's useful in study. Internal consistency and validity testing is legitimate also.

    Empiricism and MBTI do come together.

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