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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    Victor is very much ISFP. He uses Se a lot disguised through the use of Ni. But once you spot it you know it's there. He's an ISFP projecting himself subtly to show a manner of wisdom in which he describes as 'talking from his inner self'. His Fi is quite obvious though.
    Next time you look at his posts, play a little game called 'spot the hidden Se'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Do you see that his posts are more abstract than most anyone on the forum? There comes a point when if you use enough N, you're an N.
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    You don't understand functional breakdowns, do you? Once again, having a strong tertiary and neglecting the auxiliary doesn't necessitate that he's an N type. An INFP who uses Fi+Si to the exclusion of poorly developed Ne would still be an N type, despite using the S function more often. If you're going to argue for INFP, you need to show evidence of Ne and/or Si use, of which there is very little. You're relying way too much on MBTI's oversimplification of Jungian functions.

    P.S.,
    Neither NFP type uses Ni.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    You just described Ne and called it Ne.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
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    You don't understand functional breakdowns, do you?
    You're getting too hung up on functions. To where it's not rational.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    You're getting to hung up on functions. To where it's not rational.
    You sound like Jeffster. The fact that you don't understand it fully doesn't make it irrational.


    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    No. You don't know what Ne is.

    I will gladly agree I don't know how to tell a lot of the functions, but the only one that screams to me, loudly, is Ne.

    It's how I interact, that allows me to feel out what the other is projecting out. I don't have to think twice answering to Victor's posts or mimicking him, but, I do when it's state_i_am_in, toonia or bananatrombones. It's Ni facing Ne.
    I love you, honey, but this is weak analysis. If Victor were brimming with Ne the way you say he is, he wouldn't be a self-described extreme introvert with no idea how to handle the external world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinkerbell View Post
    Hey have a shawl to keep warm or you get chapped skin in this weather
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    Don't forget to get yourself a fur or something, it's cold here.
    Come by for some coffee, sometime and by all means stay for dinner
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    *melts into a puddle of INFP tears that taste like licorice and sunshine*

    I hear they make own body fat breast implants nowadays. Much more pleasant.
    And you know this... how?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    You sound like Jeffster. The fact that you don't understand it fully doesn't make it irrational.
    It's not a complicated system. But a totally literal interpretation of it doesn't really reflect reality, especially function order. You know that.

    You can only take it so far and take it so seriously, until it's just fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaur View Post
    Someone needs to change the title of this thread.
    I guess now we know who the scariest member is, hm?


    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    It's not a complicated system. But a totally literal interpretation of it doesn't really reflect reality, especially function order. You know that.

    You can only take it so far and take it so seriously, until it's just fail.
    Apparently it's more complicated than you think, or you wouldn't so grossly misunderstand it. You stated earlier in this thread that your conclusions "go against cognitive functions (or at least the order of them)", which is very telling. Forget MBTI for a moment. ISFP means, "Uses Fi, Se, Ni and Te in some order that involves Fi being the dominant." That's ALL it means. Anything else you think it means is an erroneous assumption based on MBTI's misleading oversimplifications.

    The hypothetical balanced ISFP mold places them in that particular order, but there's no guarantee that real people will prioritize them that way. This is why we have personality disorders--and why Victor describes himself as so extremely introverted. He's an Fi+Ni ISFP, and his extreme introversion comes from his poorly developed use of Se.

    If you're stuck on dogmatic loyalty to MBTI, which neglects functions almost entirely and states that each letter necessarily indicates that that function is used more often than its opposite, then I can see how you'd arrive at the conclusion that you did. Unfortunately MBTI doesn't tell the whole story.

    So yes, an S type can use his N function more than his S function. "ISFP" doesn't mean "Uses S and F more often than other functions"; once you get out of the kiddie pool it designates a combination of four preferred functions, but not the order in which they are prioritized (after the dominant.)

    So in summary, if someone is ISFP, that person:

    --Uses Fi over Fe
    --Uses Se over Si
    --Uses Ni over Ne
    --Uses Te over Ti
    --Is influenced by Fi more than any other function.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    ^Very nice post
    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Do you see that his posts are more abstract than most anyone on the forum? There comes a point when if you use enough N, you're an N.
    You look at this from one angle. Here's one way to look at it. ISFPs known as the ones who are usually gifted in art can very much make abstract art, musics, stories let alone posts.
    His posts could be his art.
    I can get you many Sensors who can be as abstract as Victor. Possibilities:
    - He's just trying to be abstract
    - He just wants to be seen as a wise person and that's the way he does it
    - He just wants attention
    - He could be making his posts his art
    - He loves that people finds his posts unique

    None of which means he has an N as a preference. And yet I could go on.

    EDIT: As SW said, he basically loves using (or showing) FiNi quite a bit. I just posted the possible reasons why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    You sound like Jeffster. The fact that you don't understand it fully doesn't make it irrational.




    I love you, honey, but this is weak analysis. If Victor were brimming with Ne the way you say he is, he wouldn't be a self-described extreme introvert with no idea how to handle the external world.

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    you know, i don't disagree with you (said IxFP) and i'm not taking any sides here (yet), but what was described was not Ni

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    So in summary, if someone is ISFP, that person:

    --Uses Fi over Fe
    --Uses Se over Si
    --Uses Ni over Ne
    --Uses Te over Ti
    --Is influenced by Fi more than any other function.
    What about when reality contradicts the system? Someone might exhibit Fi, Se, and Ni. But that doesn't necessarily mean that they have to exhibit Te over Ti. Function use doesn't always line up according to the limited combinations.

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