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    Based on my dealings with Victor in this thread, I considered him to be INTJ. Specifically this post:

    Quote Originally Posted by [url=http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/what-s-my-type/26261-mbti-where-proof-10.html#post993919]Victor[/url]
    We are pattern seeking animals. And we prefer any pattern to no pattern. And for this reason we are subject to self deception and illusion. Dominant-Ni

    And this is why we test patterns we perceive against evidence and reason. Auxillary-Te

    And this is what we learnt in the Enlightenment - to test patterns we perceive against evidence and reason. For instance, this is how we discovered the Earth goes round the Sun, and that our perception that the Sun goes round the Earth is an illusion.

    And when we test MBTI against evidence and reason we find MBTI is based on self deception and illusion.
    He definately has Fi, although I think it could easily be tertiary-Fi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    I've never seen a discourse between him [Victor] and someone come to a conclusion (unless they're supporting his viewpoint), ever. Because he doesn't have a point he's holding stead-fast to, some vanishing point he's moving towards
    The vanishing point came with the discovery of perspective.

    And perspective is a point of view.

    And point of view privileges the eye.

    And point of view arises from sequential, linear thought.

    And sequential, linear thought arises from the printed page which is linear and sequential. Word follows word one at a time. And words build into paragraphs which follow one at a time. And paragraphs follow paragraphs one at time. And paragraphs build into chapters which follow each other one at a time. Until we have built a linear, sequential book that teaches us to think in a linear, sequential, 'logical', way.

    And the printed page entered Western culture after the invention of the printing press in 1440.

    Unfortunately for you the electric telegraph was invented in 1840 which gave rise to a new way of thinking.

    And the privileged eye was replace by all the other senses, for instance, we remain 'in touch' on the telephone which is both aural and tactile and entirely non-visual.

    So after the invention of the electric telegraph, instead of things happening one at a time in a linear, sequential, 'logical' way, things began to happen all at once in exactly the same way the ear 'illogically' hears everything at once.

    And as you may have noticed, I write in the telegraphic style to suit the electronic media.

    So the printing press gave us literacy which exploded the West onto the world in, for instance, colonialism. While the electric telegraph is imploding us into the global village where everything happens all at once. For instance, not so long ago it would have taken three months for you to write to me but today we are sending and receiving electronic messages to one another in real time. We are imploding into each other as we send and receive electronic messages at the speed of light.

    So print exploded us into the world while the electric internet is imploding us into one another. And in particular your emotions are imploding into mine electronically.

    But you want me to show you a vanishing point that no longer exists - the vanishing point has vanished.

    Rather, dear Q, you have joined the Typology tribe in the global village where there is no vanishing point, and no point of view, and no perspective. No wonder you feel disorientated. But always remember that disorientation is a sign you are learning something new - that is why each University year begins with Orientation Week.

    So now we all feel the same thing at the same time - our thoughts and feeling are imploding into one another every time we log on.

    Surely you have noticed.

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    buh
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    I like you, Victor.

    But this was selfish of you.
    Is it that by its indefiniteness it shadows forth the heartless voids and immensities of the universe, and thus stabs us from behind with the thought of annihilation, when beholding the white depths of the milky way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWithSoul View Post
    I like you, Victor.

    But this was selfish of you.
    It's true, OneWithSoul, I am a shellfish.

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    Shrimp or crab?

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    Victor, are you a fan of William Blake? Did you read a significant amount of his writing at a young age?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sofmarhof View Post
    Victor, are you a fan of William Blake? Did you read a significant amount of his writing at a young age?
    You would think so wouldn't you. But I have never been able to take to William Blake.

    This is odd because I am in love with the Romantics and perhaps this is understandable as the Romantic Movement was a reaction to the Enlightenment. But no matter how Romantic I get, I can't get past the Enlightenment.

    It's as though I respond emotionally and imaginatively to the Romantics but morally to the Enlightenment.

    And then again, when I have followed my Romantic impulses, I have been mugged by reality.

    So I wonder whether William Blake has ever been mugged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    So I wonder whether William Blake has ever been mugged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWithSoul View Post
    I like you, Victor.

    But this was selfish of you.
    You know, OneWithSoul, I am constantly asked to explain myself here, often in hostile way as though I should explain my existence.

    And when I go to an awful lot of trouble to explain what I am doing here, you call me selfish.

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