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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    This is just an observation, but this is a bonfire topic. It was not created in seriousness. It runs while it lasts but I don't think the potential of this thread is truly that great. :P

    Hmm, maybe you scare me a little for thinking this topic has great potential. *hides*
    *sigh* Okay, I'll be honest as to why I posted here in the first place, i.e. what my thought process was:

    THIS THREAD IS NOT WHAT IT SAYS IT IS.
    It's not ORGANIZED correctly!!!
    IT MUST BE FIXED! I will bring order, and save the thread from itself!!!!

    ... ...yeah. It wasn't that I disapproved of what was actually said. It was that I wanted the title to represent the subject... if you know what I mean.

    OKAY SO I'M GONNA GO TO BED NOW. YOU NEVER SAW ME HERE. I DID NOT JUST EMBARRASS MYSELF.

    Time for me to leave this thread...
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    *sigh* Okay, I'll be honest as to why I posted here in the first place, i.e. what my thought process was:

    THIS THREAD IS NOT WHAT IT SAYS IT IS.
    It's not ORGANIZED correctly!!!
    IT MUST BE FIXED! I will bring order, and save the thread from itself!!!!

    ... ...yeah. It wasn't that I disapproved of what was actually said. It was that I wanted the title to represent the subject... if you know what I mean.

    OKAY SO I'M GONNA GO TO BED NOW. YOU NEVER SAW ME HERE. I DID NOT JUST EMBARRASS MYSELF.

    Time for me to leave this thread...

    I think that someone is trying to be intimidating. (and fails at it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    *sigh* Okay, I'll be honest as to why I posted here in the first place, i.e. what my thought process was:

    THIS THREAD IS NOT WHAT IT SAYS IT IS.
    It's not ORGANIZED correctly!!!
    IT MUST BE FIXED! I will bring order, and save the thread from itself!!!!

    ... ...yeah. It wasn't that I disapproved of what was actually said. It was that I wanted the title to represent the subject... if you know what I mean.

    OKAY SO I'M GONNA GO TO BED NOW. YOU NEVER SAW ME HERE. I DID NOT JUST EMBARRASS MYSELF.

    Time for me to leave this thread...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    That's an interesting point. But, you'd need to know whether a person was acting or not to see their acting as reflecting their personality and their tendency to act.
    Yes, that is true. But that is up to the person to reveal, if they wish to. Victor prefers to stay in character, which is made that much easier here on an internet forum than in real life.

    I think we are all caricatures of our real selves. Names with avatars below them and a personality type to top it off.
    It seems to me that many are angry that Victor has created a more interesting character for himself than they have.

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    These posts are the ones taken from the Forum's Scariest Members thread.

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    [YOUTUBE="hVaz8ZZxoxo"]Group Therapy[/YOUTUBE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    - He could be making his posts his art
    This; exactly this. His posts are like a dance, beautifully choreographed; words sculpted, smooth as polished marble. Whether you appreciate the work or not is almost secondary to the construct.

    This is Victor's art, and the reason why some people respond viscerally to it. It provokes emotional reactions, as effective art can often do.

    I think ISFP has a resonance to it ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    PS - keep in mind, everyone, that the Victor we see is a persona. A glimpse of the person as he wants to present himself, not Victor himself.
    I sense that Victor likes to play. But I don't think he is trying to be intentionally disingenuous. Vague perhaps. Tantalizing yes. Provocative yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    My name is Victor Reginald Shortus. I live at 1/22 Oxley Street, Griffith. ACT.2603. Look me up on Google Earth and you will be able to look right in my front door at street level.
    If I wrote you a letter, would you write back? Seriously.

    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    The effect of leading with two introverted functions typically results in overdependence upon internal values and becoming totally out of touch with the external world. This happens when an I type has a poor secondary E function. (See Victor, Fi+Ni.)
    Agree with this, I do.

    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    (See Little Linguist, Te+Ne ESTJ or Ne+Te ENFP, depending on whose interpretation you believe.)
    Agree with this too.

    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    For another example, ENTPs with poor auxiliary Ti come off as Ne+Fe, which most often looks like Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
    None of that here on THIS forum ... :rolleyes2:

    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    I think of the dominant as a pair of contact lenses that you don't know you're wearing, and the auxiliary as your favorite pair of glasses to consciously look through. As you get older you'll learn to look through the tertiary glasses sometimes too, and occasionally even the inferior (but this pair is dusty and hard to see through, and rarely gets picked up anyway.)
    Love your analogy. Love that you used one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    Ahem, we all use this forum in order to attain attention. If we didn't we wouldn't get past the lurking stage.
    Indeed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    I am, though, surrounded by those who have yet to discover their own voice. And so their voice is not yet unique.
    Indeed; a factor of personal maturity and chronological age, so forgivable, no?

    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    THIS THREAD IS NOT WHAT IT SAYS IT IS.
    It's not ORGANIZED correctly!!!
    IT MUST BE FIXED! I will bring order, and save the thread from itself!!!!
    You are so adorable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    This; exactly this. His posts are like a dance, beautifully choreographed; each word sculpted, smooth as polished marble. Whether you appreciate the work or not is almost secondary to the construct.

    This is Victor's art, and the reason why some people respond viscerally to it. It provokes emotional reactions, as effective art can often do.
    I agree that this is Victor expressing himself through creative writing. It's quite apparent given the style of his posts.

    Indeed; a factor of personal maturity and chronological age, so forgivable, no?
    For me, I don't think it's the above phenomenon because:
    (1) I like his posts, as I mentioned earlier; the issue was never with his posts.
    (2) I have no issue with another poster who has a similar style to Victor, wildcat. Why is Victor different? See below:

    I sense that Victor likes to play. But I don't think he is trying to be intentionally disingenuous. Vague perhaps. Tantalizing yes. Provocative yes.
    Victor is intentionally disingenuous in the sense that he wants to portray that his artwork is his only reality, and given the evidence of him breaking persona (earlier in this thread), this simply isn't true.

    His point was that his name and location are the only other reality relevant to him, and his artwork, the rest. There's more to Victor than that. But, he chooses to present only that to us, fine, great, just acknowledge it. Why acknowledge it?

    As a respect to the audience for whom he performs his art. So, we know where the limits of our expectations are.

    But......

    We are his audience, yet it's more than that. He doesn't want an audience, he wants fans. An audience can dislike a performance, a fan cannot (theoretically).

    As such, he is quick to swing his emotional sword at any audience that is not enamoured by his art. This is narcissistic (even though it's not Ne+Fe ) and selfish.

    And, it's ever hairier than that, it's not just an appreciation of his artwok, we must appreciate/agree with the content of his artwork...such as his radical and skewed views of Islam that is oftentimes offensive and ignorant.

    This is a forum where we exchange ideas. So, it's natural that regardless of the fine presentation of his art, some are wanting explanations for some of his 'art', especially when they're so radical.

    We gave him what he wanted, were his rapt audience, and because we weren't also his instant fans, because we questioned, he responds through his artwork and this time, it's an ugly painting. It's insults, yet.....it's poetic.

    And, so....the audience that asks him to step away from his artwork and explain it, are left with a scathing slice of flesh, because Victor's reality is his artwork. Nothing more. Either you appreciate or are unfair to him, dinkum.

    Victor is more than his artwork, because it is not the critique of his artwork that gets to him, but the content of it. Victor is the mind, with the ideas, thoughts, biases. His artwork is the presentation.

    There's a pretension inherent to this:

    Artwork accessible, artist inaccessible.

    His justification is that those above are not two separate entities, but one. To rationalize the inaccessibility of the artist. This is disengenuous and pretentious.

    Victor should step out and speak as I didn't make commentary on his artwork, but his thoughts that motivated the artwork. I wanted to speak to the artist, but his responses make it feel as if I'm not worthy for the artist to drop his persona and speak to my being through his being.

    There's an acknowledgement of differences, Victor vs. Victor's artwork. But, it seems that, Victor is the one who is unfair to us, because he responds by hiding behind his artwork, and when questioned, calls that his entire being, and respond only to his fans.

    This is a selfish, childish artist. And, those acts of selfishness and childishness makes him disingenuous.

    Finally, Victor was encouraging people to type him. A likely roadblock to this would be whether we can truly type him given that the "Victor" we see is the art, not the artist. So, for me at least, wanting to confirm whether it's a persona is not the same as calling him disengenuous. The disengenuity came when Victor said that that's all there is to him, he is the art. That there is no artist. There's a flavour of conceit to that thought, for me personally.

    I was talking to simulatedworld about his 'extreme introverts use introverted functions' theory, and I can see ISFP in the persona that is Victor. Even though, I still stand by my claim that what I see is Ne mostly, not Ni. So, my conclusive stance on the artwork that is Victor is IXFP. As for the artist, who knows, as we are not priviledged enough to see him.

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    Woot! ESTJs really get stuff done even on the internet! (EJCC wanting this discussion to be a separate thread)
    () 9w8-3w4-7w6 tritype.

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