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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Her very insistence on coming to a definitive conclusion at all costs is characteristically Te.

    I've never seen an ENFP spend anywhere near this much time and effort trying to figure out something like what four-letter label best describes her personality. Ne would more likely get bored and recognize that she can still look for her identity and express individualism without getting a precisely quantifiable result from some kind of personality "test."

    The insistence on having that completed result has been the driving force here all along. Her Ne only comes in later, in fragmented bursts, questioning her latest decisions and repeatedly wrecking Te's progress. This is pretty typical for a tertiary function, too.

    And man, I just can't see Fi as the auxiliary here. Its effect is far too weak and unconscious. I see her desire to get herself figured out as just another means of applying Te--"I need to know which category I am in so that I can deal with life's tasks most efficiently, and it upsets me when I cannot determine things like this with certainty."

    It's just really really dominant Te. You see a lot of yourself in her simply because you share the same functions, but your priority orders are quite different--your Ne and Fi both dwarf hers and dominate your perspective to a much higher degree. There's waaaay too much Te going on here for a distant tertiary function.
    bolded: You're looking at one I *still* haven't decided on my type. Ne might get bored but will be redirected there by Fi which *needs* an answer. I cannot feel right and happy without Fi being sorted out. And that took me years...still is taking time atm.

    Yes, I admit I might be biased coz I recognize a lot, but that's also for definite reasons.

    And I personally see her Ne-ing like mad, trying to feed Fi info, Fi getting conflicted, her Te coming in and going: That's it, I'm done with this, as it's giving me a mighty fine head ache! That's so ENFP, it hurts. Really. I've done that. I still do that. Stress me, and I'll show you. For that matter, read my rant on men not understanding the meaning of the word 'friendship'.

    The second guessing stems from Fi being overloaded. You cannot judge things that way. Especially not things that aren't directives or objective. So they end up in a loop.

    And my Fi has only started developping since I got here btw. Before that, I was all Ne. Btw, her Ne is stronger than mine, from what I've seen. LL also still has a pretty good working Te. I envy her for that. Really. At least she can get things done. But she does it in bursts. She's constantly playing catch up to her chaos with Te, from what I've seen. I have a friend who's like her and very ENFP. She cannot stand chaos though. She was raised by SJs, who taught her order is the most important thing. It doesn't come natural to her. She just does it coz that's what's expected of her. I recognize that feeling. And I see that in LL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    bolded: You're looking at one I *still* haven't decided on my type. Ne might get bored but will be redirected there by Fi which *needs* an answer. I cannot feel right and happy without Fi being sorted out. And that took me years...still is taking time atm.

    Yes, I admit I might be biased coz I recognize a lot, but that's also for definite reasons.

    And I personally see her Ne-ing like mad, trying to feed Fi info, Fi getting conflicted, her Te coming in and going: That's it, I'm done with this, as it's giving me a mighty fine head ache! That's so ENFP, it hurts. Really. I've done that. I still do that. Stress me, and I'll show you. For that matter, read my rant on men not understanding the meaning of the word 'friendship'.

    The second guessing stems from Fi being overloaded. You cannot judge things that way. Especially not things that aren't directives or objective. So they end up in a loop.

    And my Fi has only started developping since I got here btw. Before that, I was all Ne. LL still has a pretty good working Te. I envy her for that. Really. At least she can get things done. But she does it in bursts. She's constantly playing catch up to her chaos with Te, from what I've seen. I have a friend who's like her and very ENFP. She cannot stand chaos though. She was raised by SJs, who taught her order is the most important thing. It doesn't come natural to her. She just does it coz that's what's expected of her. I recognize that feeling. And I see that in LL.

    I think you're doing what NFPs frequently do in terms of assuming what would motivate them to behave in a certain way is always the explanation for what motivates others to behave that way.

    I think Te plays a much bigger role in this than you're allowing, and that Ne is playing the supportive role here. I've already explained why and I think my argument will speak for itself against yours.

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    *smiles* We'll agree to disagree, it's for LL to figure out anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    *smiles* We'll agree to disagree, it's for LL to figure out anyway
    Did you read the numerous, detail-oriented dissections of every function description she could find? She rated Te as her highest priority every single time.
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    I'm aware of that. Those tests are a)highly inacurate and b) don't exclude bias. If you like one function better than another, coz you consciously prefer it, you'll automatically select that as your highest. I have no doubt that LL finds Te immensely important and useful. Is it then also the function that comes most naturally to her? Hell no. It could be...but I personally am betting that's not the case. What you naturally prefer and what you consider as the right thing to do and therefore prefer consciously are two different things. As I said. Fi looks useless to most people. It's no wonder that Te is preferable to that...consciously
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    How do you develop an introverted function? Do I have one?

    My whole life has been a struggle for balance, and it's very hard for me to achieve.

    You're right, I shouldn't bother with this in public. It's not helping. Just not constructive. I need to think about this by myself, or I'm just going to make everyone against me and still not get anywhere.

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    You won't figure this out overnight, so realize that it is ok to be in limbo for a while. Self-reflect. Go with a fine-tooth comb over your values, what's important to you, why that is, and how it makes you feel. What exhausts you, what recharges you, are those the same things that are important to you, what do you appreciate, etc. Forget about what is expected of you, what other people would like, and what you were taught was important. What do you *feel* is important. Silence all those other voices so you can hear that one voice clearly.

    You'll find it answers some stuff to do that, and it raises a whole load of new questions as well, which you then can ask around about again, to see how other people's views compare to yours. Then push the repeat button coz it's time for self-reflection again, once you have their input.

    Take your time for this. And realize that it *is* important, and useful, and even necessary. It's not some obstacle you need to get rid of. This is who you are. And determines your happiness. Give it the consideration it deserves. Also, it is ok to once a while go..my head hurts, I need to focus elsewhere. Leave it, adn come back to it later, you'll automatically do so. And you'll find that the time away has allowed you to mull things over and see things in a different light, allowing you to progress steadily. Good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    How obnoxious.

    *REALLY OBNOXIOUS POST*
    That was nice of you to label your post like that before you made it, thanks.

    But don't believe me; I'm a dumbass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    How do you develop an introverted function? Do I have one?

    My whole life has been a struggle for balance, and it's very hard for me to achieve.

    You're right, I shouldn't bother with this in public. It's not helping. Just not constructive. I need to think about this by myself, or I'm just going to make everyone against me and still not get anywhere.
    LL, you could go your whole life without understanding "introverted functions" and your life would be no worse for it. You've figured out what things are important to you in life, so go for them. That's all that really matters.

    Frankly, I find Amargith and simulated discussing this like they have any clue what's going on in your head to be arrogant and laughable. I encourage you to keep sharing whatever you want to share, whether know-it-alls on an internet forum want to accept it or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    LL, you could go your whole life without understanding "introverted functions" and your life would be no worse for it. You've figured out what things are important to you in life, so go for them. That's all that really matters.

    Frankly, I find Amargith and simulated discussing this like they have any clue what's going on in your head to be arrogant and laughable. I encourage you to keep sharing whatever you want to share, whether know-it-alls on an internet forum want to accept it or not.
    Good old Se.

    Your post = "boo hoo it's real hard and I don't get it"

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