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    Quote Originally Posted by TheChosenOne View Post
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    lol well at least closure = patented Jness.
    Of the J-ness there is no doubt.
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    Don't worry about the S-N difference... My ISTJ boyfriend and another ISTJ friend of mine would probably never type as Ss, because the tests are biased towards N, which is always described as the only thing associated with imagination, abstraction, dreams, anything interesting really, and no one takes into account that Ss can be dreamers with lots of imagination just as much as Ns; they are just more comfortable with reality. My sister also typed INFP, and she's as ISFP as one can be...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    Like I said in my blog, even if I'm not ESTJ, I am ESTJ, because I'm sick of this shit and want closure now. Time to make a decision and ferk it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Space_Oddity View Post
    Don't worry about the S-N difference... My ISTJ boyfriend and another ISTJ friend of mine would probably never type as Ss, because the tests are biased towards N, which is always described as the only thing associated with imagination, abstraction, dreams, anything interesting really, and no one takes into account that Ss can be dreamers with lots of imagination just as much as Ns; they are just more comfortable with reality. My sister also typed INFP, and she's as ISFP as one can be...
    Exactly. I have huge amounts of imagination - even my husband used tršumerisch (dreamy) as one of the adjectives he would use to describe me. But at the end of the day, I dig my hands into reality and I grab the opportunities that arise.

    That is one big difference, and I don't want to appear biased in terms of S v N, but it seems like a lot of Ns have what a less-developed S might call, "not having their acts together." Of course, I know it is just because they prefer to think and handle things differently, but it is quite confusing.

    Like Eric B told me, ENFP and ESTJ are cognitively very similar, but they differ in one huge respect: ENFPs are completely open/responsive; ESTJs are directive/initating. If I'm honest with myself, although I hate to admit it, although I am indeed very open, I'm quite directive. In addition, I'm slightly more biased towards initiating rather than responding.

    That evidence really points in the direction of ESTJ. It's like an ENFP with a....well, I don't want to say 'with a backbone' because that makes it sound like they don't have one, and healthy ones do. BUT I have a drive to get shit done that I have not really seen with my NP counterparts. However, the Ne is so apparent that I do not think we could make a claim for NJ (where Ni would be the dominant factor).

    So unless I've misinterpreted Ni for Ne, I'm pretty sure ESTJ is a good fit.

    What pisses me off is that people say, "You're too emotional for an ESTJ." or "You're too open and receptive for an ESTJ." or "You don't command people and steamroll people, so you can't be an ESTJ."

    Honestly, people, a 'good' ESTJ (for the lack of a better word) doesn't have the need to control people; they are open and receptive because it is just more effective - commanding people to do your will just is NOT going to bring about the best result. If you have power, you do not need to show it. So steamrolling people just indicates a LACK of control in a situation and a furious, inefficient means to REGAIN it. Therefore, it is not to be the primary mode of operation.

    Being open and listening is just as important as giving commands and directing. Directing should be an organic process, not a cold, dead one with the 'leader' giving the 'orders.' The more vested people are in the decision-making and implementation process, the more people are engaged, happy, and just do their shit properly.

    Secondly, regarding emotions, what is this crappy thing going around about Ts not having emotions? That's bullshit. We have them, but when we have to make decisions, we try to find another way to make decisions. If feelings play a big role, then of course they are there. However, I always think more in a cost-benefit analysis of the situation/people/whatever...

    You can't make blanket statements of "I use feelings/ethics to decide; I use rational thinking/SWOT analysis to decide." Ferk, it depends. You have to be wise enough when to use which, and YES there are cases in which deciding with feelings and ethics is simply, well, not appropriate, sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnFpFer View Post
    Being forgetful and able to make connections makes a person an intuitive and a perceiver? My husband(ISTJ) forgot his car, that he drove, in a parking lot, in another town. It wasn't until we got back home, after hoping a ride with some friends at 2am(no drinking involved), that he remembered that he drove his car and had left it, 30 miles away. He's very forgetful about many things, but he never forgets to pay bills or do his work. Never. His priority is duty, so those things come first in his mind.

    As for making connections, sensors making amazing connections too.
    I never said that was connected to percieverness, only intuitiveness

    But anyway, you're right, it's not about ability, it's about preference And as far as I can remember, intuitives prefer to live in the future, which would involve some of those forgetful properties, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Space_Oddity View Post
    Little Linguist,
    I would also like to agree with those who complained that this thread contained a lot of 'folk typology'. I doubt that person's behaviors must necessarily mirror their type - it's really more about who you are in your head than who you are in the outside world. In my opinion, the safest way to distinguish Ns and Ss is considering how 'comfortable' they are with reality (the concrete) and imagination (the abstract). If you are very comfortable with reality, and imagination is only your secondary mode, you're most likely an S. If it's the other way round, you're probably an N. It doesn't mean that Ss don't use imagination or abstract thinking, or that they can't 'live in their head'. They can do this as much as Ns, but their primary focus is reality. Similarly, Ns can be as practical and like 'worldly pleasures' as Ss, but their 'home' is always their inner world.

    Two more notes: firstly, I beg you not to be so harsh with Ns and their inability to reach their goals - you know, they're more comfortable with their dream world than reality, and it doesn't seem so easy for them to 'find resources' and reach their goals as it does to you. They often find reality downright confusing, just as Ss have often problems to figure out meanings of books or write philosophical essays. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses, and this is one weakness of Ns, especially if their environment never encouraged them to overcome it. Secondly, I don't think that the 'lapse' you experienced in college was an 'INFP shadow'. It was depression, and depression doesn't type. I'd say that our 'opposite qualities' are rather supposed to balance us, as it now balances you, and not bring us down. When things need to get done (especially when some ESTJ teacher forces me), I also go into ESTJ mode, and it usually has impressive outcomes, not the opposite.

    So, enjoy your ESTJ-ness and I wish you success in your teacher career!
    Spot on
    + I like this post a lot... and I had to say that

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    FERKKKKKKKKKK Why do I keep typing intuitive??? I. AM. NOT. INTUITIVE.

    Your Type is
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    1 25 12 67

    STUPID HUMANMETRICS.

    I'm procrastinating. Ferk.
    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    Yes, that's true. All my preferences (except J) are super low. I'm sure that also contributes to the confusion.

    If anyone calls me a P, though, I will kick his ass. Just for the record.
    ***Perciever Alert***

    k, come kick my ass

    I haven't really heard much of your thoughts on your type you know... most of your posts have been seemingly scattered with results and creative little things, rather than reasons or arguments.

    ... I'm gonna stop trying to argue against this...
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    Quote Originally Posted by King-Of-Despair View Post
    I never said that was connected to percieverness, only intuitiveness

    But anyway, you're right, it's not about ability, it's about preference And as far as I can remember, intuitives prefer to live in the future, which would involve some of those forgetful properties, etc.


    Spot on
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    ***Perciever Alert***

    k, come kick my ass

    I haven't really heard much of your thoughts on your type you know... most of your posts have been seemingly scattered with results and creative little things, rather than reasons or arguments.

    ... I'm gonna stop trying to argue against this...
    ***war cry*** ****kicks your ass****

    Seriously...results? Creative little things? What does this mean?
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    I read Keirsey's analysis on teachers to find my style - off to the CollegeZone. Some cool stuff.

    Studying:

    - I like quiet, neat spaces, or I cannot focus.
    - Study groups suck. Totally ineffective.
    - I totally do not relate to the Artisan's need to move around and shit. (ADD?)
    - Organization is key, or I lose shit.
    - Love learning by tutoring. Or by pretending that I am tutoring someone. Learning by helping is freaking AWESOME!
    - I need to bounce ideas off of others once I've processed my stuff.
    - When I have a goal or project, I'm highly focused and forget real life (eating, drinking, going outside, breathing <--- okay, that's going a bit too far)
    - Debates are cool, if active.
    - Have competitions with yourself and others to drive you.

    Teaching:

    - Have specific rules and expectations that are flexible within tolerable limits for emergency situations.
    - Like organization and structure, but flexible enough to be able to adapt when necessary
    - Dynamic classes where others participate are good.
    - Try to apply practical uses to theory.
    - Not super-precise - leave practical application open for interpretation
    - Individualized attention when possible
    - Lots of praise when deserved; help given if proven worthy; disapproval shown if deserved.
    - Fair, consistent evaluation
    - Try to master the subject as well as I can and fill in any potential gaps as I go
    - Challenge people to think for themselves when possible
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    I read Keirsey's analysis on teachers to find my style - off to the CollegeZone. Some cool stuff.

    Studying:

    - I like quiet, neat spaces, or I cannot focus.
    - Study groups suck. Totally ineffective.
    - I totally do not relate to the Artisan's need to move around and shit. (ADD?)
    - Organization is key, or I lose shit.
    - Love learning by tutoring. Or by pretending that I am tutoring someone. Learning by helping is freaking AWESOME!
    - I need to bounce ideas off of others once I've processed my stuff.
    - When I have a goal or project, I'm highly focused and forget real life (eating, drinking, going outside, breathing <--- okay, that's going a bit too far)
    - Debates are cool, if active.
    - Have competitions with yourself and others to drive you.

    Teaching:

    - Have specific rules and expectations that are flexible within tolerable limits for emergency situations.
    - Like organization and structure, but flexible enough to be able to adapt when necessary
    - Dynamic classes where others participate are good.
    - Try to apply practical uses to theory.
    - Not super-precise - leave practical application open for interpretation
    - Individualized attention when possible
    - Lots of praise when deserved; help given if proven worthy; disapproval shown if deserved.
    - Fair, consistent evaluation
    - Try to master the subject as well as I can and fill in any potential gaps as I go
    - Challenge people to think for themselves when possible
    if you want specific examples, im 110% positive that a recent teacher of mine is ESTJ. Id say it goes beyond "being S". Its not necessarily a "one size fits all" that marks them out either...

    --Si has a sort of appreciation for the past, and "its wisdom". i dont think the history focus is a stereotype. Everyone knows some history, but this type likes to relate it to the present in any way that it can (like always)

    --they like using example stories/metaphors/analogies/try to keep the examples interesting (Ne), but they arent really "tangent"

    --effective vs ineffective course structure (the ESTJ is bare bones but thorough with notes, hand outs, scheduled lectures and tests...the "bad" structure i find comes with the ISFJs lol)

    --they like to talk. a lot. Gift of glib when either giving "practical advice" (get some more sleep because.../heres my advice on job searches/etc) or about their technical subject of interest. I find that this differentiates them from ESFJs. ESTJs tend to have a certain subject that they get into the technical aspects of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon Candle View Post
    if you want specific examples, im 110% positive that a recent teacher of mine is ESTJ. Id say it goes beyond "being S". Its not necessarily a "one size fits all" that marks them out either...

    --Si has a sort of appreciation for the past, and "its wisdom". i dont think the history focus is a stereotype. Everyone knows some history, but this type likes to relate it to the present in any way that it can (like always)

    --they like using example stories/metaphors/analogies/try to keep the examples interesting (Ne), but they arent really "tangent"

    --effective vs ineffective course structure (the ESTJ is bare bones but thorough with notes, hand outs, scheduled lectures and tests...the "bad" structure i find comes with the ISFJs lol)

    --they like to talk. a lot. Gift of glib when either giving "practical advice" (get some more sleep because.../heres my advice on job searches/etc) or about their technical subject of interest. I find that this differentiates them from ESFJs. ESTJs tend to have a certain subject that they get into the technical aspects of.
    Well, damn, when you say it like that...!

    1. I like history; it is one of my favorite pasttimes. However, if I had to choose between always looking back in the past or always looking forward, I will look forward.

    2. I can be tangential. But I don't know just how bad it is as compared to other Ne dom/aux/Tert. Maybe I am just being hard on myself.

    3. My teaching is very, very structured but has enough leeway to allow for deviations when it is appropriate.

    4. I do talk a lot, but I do not know if I am always practical. I mean: That would be nice, but I'm not so sure. One of my students accused me of being too theoretical. Start off with something practical and then launch into theory, like, "Whew, got that out of the way, now let's do some theory!!" LOL I laughed my ass off, because I actually thought I was pretty practical in class.
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    Okay, okay, okay, I admit it. I'm ENF...something. But ENFJ or ENFP? I really relate to both, but I relate the most to this description, almost completely:

    Idealist Portrait of the Teacher (ENFJ)
    Even more than the other Idealists, Teachers have a natural talent for leading students or trainees toward learning, or as Idealists like to think of it, they are capable of calling forth each learner's potentials. Teachers (around two percent of the population) are able - effortlessly, it seems, and almost endlessly-to dream up fascinating learning activities for their students to engage in. In some Teachers, this ability to fire the imagination can amount to a kind of genius which other types find hard to emulate. But perhaps their greatest strength lies in their belief in their students. Teachers look for the best in their students, and communicate clearly that each one has untold potential, and this confidence can inspire their students to grow and develop more than they ever thought possible.

    In whatever field they choose, Teachers consider people their highest priority, and they instinctively communicate personal concern and a willingness to become involved. Warmly outgoing, and perhaps the most expressive of all the types, Teachers are remarkably good with language, especially when communicating in speech, face to face. And they do not hesitate to speak out and let their feelings be known. Bubbling with enthusiasm, Teachers will voice their passions with dramatic flourish, and can, with practice, become charismatic public speakers. This verbal ability gives Teachers a good deal of influence in groups, and they are often asked to take a leadership role.

    Teachers like things settled and organized, and will schedule their work hours and social engagements well ahead of time-and they are absolutely trustworthy in honoring these commitments. Valuing as they do interpersonal cooperation and harmonious relations, Teachers are extraordinarily tolerant of others, are easy to get along with, and are usually popular wherever they are.

    Teachers are highly sensitive to others, which is to say their intuition tends to be well developed. Certainly their insight into themselves and others is unparalleled. Without a doubt, they know what is going on inside themselves, and they can read other people with uncanny accuracy. Teachers also identify with others quite easily, and will actually find themselves picking up the characteristics, emotions, and beliefs of those around them. Because they slip almost unconsciously into other people's skin in this way, Teachers feel closely connected with those around them, and thus show a sincere interest in the joys and problems of their employees, colleagues, students, clients, and loved ones.
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