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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    We haven't been making significant progress because I do not know if any of the qualities you are telling me that you have are more resultant of natural dispositions or interaction with your environment.
    Well how do I prove that something is a natural disposition if examples do not do it?

    I believe, though I think it is hard to prove that:

    - Abstract thinking = natural
    - Thinking = natural
    - Feeling = acquired
    - Sensing = acquired

    The other alternative is:

    - Abstract = natural
    - Feeling = natural
    - Thinking = acquired
    - Sensing = acquired

    However, I think if feeling were natural, I would not have struggled so much to understand what I felt and others felt. I really do not know how to prove it to you. Perhaps you could inform me how to best go about that.
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    I haven't read this whole thread but just reading what was posted in the OP you sound more like an NT than an NF. Most likely ENTJ. The way you put things you seem more achievement oriented than people oriented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    I haven't read this whole thread but just reading what was posted in the OP you sound more like an NT than an NF. Most likely ENTJ. The way you put things you seem more achievement oriented than people oriented.
    Liquid Laser, what brought you to that conclusion? (Not disagreeing or agreeing, just curious what led you to that assessment).
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    Yes, you are right. I do place more value on personal achievement than people, although I have been much better at not being so extreme about that. I used to be so extreme that personal achievement came at the expense of my human relationships, and I have to constantly remind myself not to do that.

    As a kid, homework or personal projects always came first before fun. Often, I would work myself to the point that I became like a hermit. Alternatively, I would work myself sick (literally), and I have just stopped myself after doing it again recently.

    In addition, at work, I used to not care at all if my colleagues were doing something together. I went to work, did my job, put my all in, and that was it. I couldn't have been bothered hanging around with these people after work unless there was a purpose or they were doing something I enjoyed. Whenever they posted a get-together, I groaned and thought, "Oh man, does this HAVE TO BE?" I know some other people love the interaction with colleagues more than the actual work. Don't get me wrong, I really liked my colleagues, but at WORK. Not in my free time.

    Of course, I enjoy working with my students, and there I do care, but more about their personal development and the exchange of ideas and information as well as the fact that they reach a certain goal (e.g. pass an exam, get a better job, deal better with clients, etc.).

    Another example, sometimes I am so driven that I will neglect my relationship, not in an awful way, but I will work SO MUCH that I hardly have time for myself or my husband anymore. After a while, my husband tells me that in the long run our relationship will suffer, and that wakes me up. However, I have to keep ever-vigilant about that.

    I enjoy dealing with people, but only if I see a tangible result from my efforts; otherwise, it drives me crazy, which is one reason this new job is burning me out a bit. It's very hard to see improvements; I have to keep reminding myself to 'lower my expectations' and appreciate the little steps, and keep encouraging despite resistance, and it's not easy sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    Liquid Laser, what brought you to that conclusion? (Not disagreeing or agreeing, just curious what led you to that assessment).
    In the OP you don't hardly sound NF at all. I say ENTJ, because you sound a lot like me growing up only more structured and judgemental. My second guess would be INTJ and then ENTP after that. Here let me give my specific impressions of the OP:

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    Maybe typing myself as a child will help clarify matters. I've bolded the important stuff for people who cannot pay attention that long.

    1. School: Up to the age of 8, I did not pay much attention. Of course, I followed the rules as long as they made sense, and I did not want to catch hell at home. I kind of chit-chatted with one or two friends.
    This sounds like a N to me.

    After the age of 8, I saw school as a huge mental competition with others: Social interaction did not interest me. I wanted to see who was the most capable, and I put my best effort into getting the highest grades possible, which generally came naturally to me with the exception of math, which was always my nemesis. (I HATE MATH!)

    With regard to learning, I was very structured. I did my homework every night (with little intermissions to act crazy and rejuvenate) and basically handed in my homework assignments on time.
    This whole part sounds NJ and especially NTJ. My INFJ wife was really competitive growing up, but so much of what she did had to do with getting the teacher's approval. The way you describe things sounds more like an NTJ.
    However, I was often absent-minded and forgot my homework at home. (GAHHH!) In addition, I would forget to bring in signed report cards, permission slips, reports, etc. I did not want to upset anyone. I just forgot it.
    more N

    Whenever we had tests, I was annoying and always asked, "What did you get? What did you get?" Of course, I pretended but the real reason was that I wanted to know if I had the best mark, and if I did not, I would berate myself and force myself to study harder next time. The one exception: MATH. Although I was unhappy that I hovered around the B/C range, I knew there was no point in investing more time. If I did not get the highest grade in LANGUAGES, I would berate myself til the cows came home.
    This is NTJ, but the obsession over knowing you have to be the best sounds especially ENTJ to me. Extraverts are more externally oriented, so an ENTJ would want to get the best grade while an INTJ would simply want a perfect grade.

    2. People/expression: Until the age of 8, I had 2-4 friends I always hung out with. After that, I became a hermit until the age of 20 or so. Weird.
    I usually had about 2-4 close friends, although I always had a lot of aquantences/distant friends. The hermit thing sounds a bit unusual for any type. Even most INT's tend to have a couple of friends.

    Anyway, I was extremely nervous and shy around others. In class, I hardly spoke above a whisper in high school. Often my teachers got annoyed and asked me to speak louder. It was kind of weird, but I was so afraid of making a mistake that I only wanted the teacher and I to hear it if I did. Usually I was right, though, which was the ironic thing.
    This is a lot like me as a teen although I'm probably better described as the singing frog. Usually quiet and laid back, but occasionally I become excessively energetic, noisy, talkative, etc....

    The one exception: Debates. During debates about things I enjoyed, I became loud and passionate, which would shock the HELL out of my teachers and classmates. It was as if they thought, "Holy crap, she does have a voice." Some were so shocked that they came and told me so afterwards, although these same people usually pretended that I did not exist. I would research a great deal, prepare myself with copious notes, went over them in my head, and destroyed the opposition. I loved taking the side that had the least support because it held the greatest challenge, and allowed me to sort of take control. Great example: Debate Gore v. Perot 1993 (or 1994, something like that) about NAFTA. 95% of the class was in favor of Gore. I was not - only I and one other student. So we were a powerhouse, as the other person was also very bright. We shook the other side to its foundations and in the space of 20 minutes convinced 2 others that we were right!!!

    Other exception: Public speaking/acting. When I was prepared and spoke publicly, I did so with a great deal of passion and enthusiasm. It also shocked people, as this was not my normal tendency. Lectoring, drama, etc. were very interesting for me as an outlet for expression.
    This all sounds typical for young ENT's. Shy in many circumstances, but energetic or aggressive when in their element.

    Family: Get-togethers. Ewww. A bunch of adults talking about lots of stuff, and I'm the only child. So they look at you as a child. I hate that. So I had to adapt into an adult in my expression so that people would take me seriously. It shocked my peers that I had such a command of language and vocabulary.
    Desire to display competence is an NT trait.

    While interacting with some people in a teenage group at the age of 12, I confided that I felt like an 'alien', and that I could not relate to anyone, and I would really like people to explain WHY that is. Some older teenagers said, "Well, you're weird. You're, like, really smart, and you use vocabulary we do not understand. And you're 12. It's just....weird....You don't do anything normal kids and teenagers like, so there's nothing in common to talk to you about. You don't like dating. You don't like clothes. You don't like cars. You don't watch TV, listen to real music, or watch movies. You just read weird books, knit, and talk about weird stuff. It's like you're 80 or something - like you come from another time. And then, whenever you realize that, you get haughty and arrogant, and you're just not approachable." I never forgot that. It made me feel strange and ashamed.
    I think quite a few N's have an experience similar to this. If you are an intelligent N, then it can seem that you don't really fit in anywhere.

    3. Dating: I did not have anything to do with guys until I was 20 years old. I had no interest, and I did not want to be 'distracted from more important things.' I was cold, off-putting, and flat-out rejected guys who asked me out, even if I was attracted to them. I never admitted it if I was attracted to someone because that would be admitting weakness. Many people thought I was asexual during my pre-teen and teenage years, although I had a bunch of passion boiling inside, I kept it under tight control. My first kiss was at 19 or 20, so you can imagine I did not do anything else in that direction either.
    I never dated when I was younger and my first kiss was about the same age. It was mostly because I was shy and awkward though. I was plenty horny though. Overall I don't think this is uncommon for NT's.

    4. Values: Since I grew up in a lower-middle class, strict Irish Roman Catholic family comprising of my grandparents (EXFJ and XNTP) and my aunt (INFP) and no siblings, I was raised with STRICT RELIGIOUS values. I was pretty much the only one of my generation in the family. My grandmother drilled me on how to react to people who screwed around with my values, to which I rolled my eyes at the time. My grandfather usually came up with crude phrases like, "Don't let a man use you as his garbage can," to which I would respond, "Ewwww!" If I swore, I was dead. So I did not swear AT ALL until I was around 20 or so. In fact, one dude asked me, "Would you swear if I gave you a dollar," to which I looked haughty, held my head up high, and said, "What do you hold me for, anyway??? There are more important things than money," to which he responded, "Eh, what about 10?" I got up indignantly and went away. I hated people who went to a CATHOLIC school and did not even know how church went "Dumb asses." or did not know the hymns "Idiots!"
    I can't say I relate to this, because I hated church and was glad when I got to stop going. Also I didn't particularly respect or disrespect rules. I followed the ones that made sense and mostly ignored the others.

    Another thing I couldn't stand was an idiot. People who did not remember what we did from one class to another confounded me. People who could not make connections between classes and subjects confounded me as well.
    Not me, but sounds a lot like plenty of ENTJ's out there.

    On the other hand, I had a great deal of understanding for people who wanted to get it but couldn't. I often chocked that up to bad teaching and helped anyone who genuinely wanted to learn. But first I always asked, "Do you WANT to do this? We will have to invest a lot of time and effort, so I am happy to work with you if you WANT this. If not, there is no point." (Not always so direct, but you get the point).
    As a former teacher I can relate to this.

    I couldn't stand sexually promiscuous people - they disgusted me. These flamboyant types who always partied and went to clubs and had sex all the time with guys and talked about their experiences. BLEH. The one exception: If people needed to talk to someone, I was more understanding. That was because I figured they are going through a rough time and need someone. But people who just bragged about such things were nil in my book.

    Materialistic types also pissed me off. These long nails for $100 dollars. Expensive, fast cars. Sports. Sex. Drugs. Rock 'n' roll. What was the point?
    These sorts of things pisses me off more now than when I was younger, lol. Still sounds about right for an NTJ though.

    5. Interests: Huge interest number 1: Reading. I loved reading. Ramona was a big favorite as a little girl. Before I went to bed as a really young girl, I wanted a story read to me. If someone skipped a page or made a mistake, I promptly corrected him/her. I learned reading quickly, although I was very bad at inference and spitting back what I read on command when I did not choose the reading myself. I could, but I did not always focus well enough. That took a lot of effort on my part unless I CHOSE what I wanted to read. Then I retained everything, but I had to have a vested interest, or screw it.

    Once I turned 12-13, my reading interests matured into language books, where I started avidly teaching myself different languages (I realized later that I got this from my maternal grandfather who did the same thing despite his 8th grade education), religious books (books by St. Augustine, Brother Lawrence, St. Theresa of Avila, St. Theresa aka 'The Little Flower of Jesus', etc. were always lying around), as well as more philosophical/religious books on contemplation, sacrifice, etc. I remember being around 10 or 12 and reading a 500 page book on St. John (can't remember the name) and I always begged my family "Just one more page. Just one more minute." LOL

    Later on 12-19, I gave up religious reading and focused more on my core interests, history, language, and politics. (This was also in my early teenage years).
    This section sounds like a fairly typical description of an NT growing up.

    I was not a big fan of movies, as I found it very hard to focus on plot and things when I was watching movies. I could not follow the plot. It was weird. Like I needed a plot summary every once in a while to follow. So I did not like it as much. Some exceptions: Star Trek series, Waltons and Zorro, which I watched with my grandfather. My grandmother would spy on us every now and again to make sure the content was okay (GAHHH!) Besides my family would always say, "Would you rather we bought you 3 books or we went to see one movie?" No contest.

    WWII was always a beloved subject, which my poor EXFJ grandmother could not understand. "Why do you always read war books? Can't you read something a little bit more uplifting? "Eh, I like them."

    Knitting, crocheting, embroidery, etc. was always a cool pasttime. I made a blanket for my cat, which she LOVED hahaha. I made 19th century costumes for dolls.
    I have no comment on this section. It could mean anything.

    LOVED public speaking and drama - it was an outlet for a lot of built up energy, passion, and feeling that I did not allow myself to express. A lot of times my throat would hurt afterwards because I was not USED to speaking like that (that much, that loud, etc.) But my passion was convincing. I spoke to an audience to earn money for our school, and they had the highest return that year. I loved lectoring at church. I started when I was 12 or so... at the kid's mass. Later I did it at the adult's mass. Loved it. Couldn't stand people who did not know how to do it RIGHT. DAMN IT DO IT RIGHT, I always thought. *alert buzzer* Wrong intonation *alert buzzer* Speaking too fast and not clearly *alert buzzer* What the hell are you trying to say? lol

    I won a lot of public speaking and poetry contests.

    Sports was always a no-go for me. I was totally uncoordinated, afraid of the ball (yeah, I was one of those annoying girls who would put her hand up in front of her face when the ball came too close). It did not help that I had zero depth-perception or spatial skills AND could not react well to sudden things, like flying balls. I always thought, "Can't you all play and let me grab my book and sit on the rock over there. Really! I don't mind." All this exercise bull....gah! I couldn't do it anyway. Why show my ineptitude for all to see...Have fun, have a blast, and let me have fun in my own way. Dumb asses.
    This whole section is a lot like me. Again I think it fits an ENT fairly well.

    Cross-country skiing was one exception. I could do it alone; it did not require a lot of coordination as compared with other sports, and if I fell, no one cared; and it was slow enough to allow me to get the hang of it, enjoy nature, and just let me be.

    Irish dancing was another exception. You only had to coordinate your legs. I could handle that. And it was fun, not SPORTS or EXERCISE. And I didn't have to associate with people that much. I could concentrate on my thing. That was good. I liked it before it was popular - and most people thought it was 'strange.' Cool kids danced jazz, tap, and ballet - not IRISH DANCING.

    I'm sure there's more, but you get the picture. Feel free to ask if anything is unclear or if you need (more???) information.
    So to sum up, based on this OP you sound like an ENTJ to me. Now I'm also giving the disclaimer that we are just two people conversing over the internet and there plenty of things I don't know about you. But going by the info I have on you I'd say you are an ENTJ, and if that doesn't fit then consider INTJ or maybe ENTP. I know that I've seen you self type as either ENFP or ENFJ on these forums, but this description paints you more as an ENTJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    Thank you for responding, EnFpFer. Please allow me to share some (relatively) personal details so that you can get an insight into my person. I appreciate the fact that you have shared this, as it was very insightful, and I want to honor that.

    Very very very pessimistic as a child. Not quite so pessimistic now. Extreme example: Senior year when someone asked me what I would do if I failed an exam, I replied sardonically, "Probably hang myself by my shoelaces." Of course, I wouldn't have done THAT, but I would have been very angry with myself, chastised myself for weeks, and would have been ashamed to go home. But that shut them up really quickly, "Weird...." Worked, didn't it?
    I hear you. Again, sounds a lot like my mother(EXTJ). She was incredibly dutiful as a child and still is as an adult. She was motivated by making her parents proud, and is incredibly achievement oriented. Do you generally appreciate the role of authority figures?

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    Now that's one thing that I have ALWAYS hated. In fact, as a child I was often given the choice of doing homework or chores, and I always picked homework because it was more enjoyable for me.
    Haha. Really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    Yes. I do not know how in-depth you want me to answer this, but I have to give you some background so that you understand.

    My mother was very ill, and my father had issues as a result of that and other things, so when I was 9 years old, my paternal grandparents suggested and volunteered to take me in, adopt me for real, and give me a good and loving home.

    Because of that, I felt like I wanted to 'prove' to them that they hadn't made a mistake. They were retired, and they could have done so many other things, but they took in a 9-year-old girl. I wanted them to be proud of me, and I wanted to be proud of myself and make the most of the opportunity and the gifts I have/had.

    If you asked me whether or not the impetus came more from outside or inside, I'd say both. There were times when I was weak, and my family always kind of nudged me in the 'right' direction. This was important.

    Since I had a 'rough' childhood (no rougher than your average childhood I guess nowadays) I really was thankful for the security and latched onto it like an anchor. They always told me, "We saw you hurt so many times, and we don't want you to be hurt ever again." I respected that, and so I did not want to hurt THEM either. I wanted them to know they had a really good, intelligent, respectable, industrious person who was on their level and not some stupid, weak, dumb ass who went and partied every week, got high on dope, and brought home average grades and couldn't even hold herself in a conversation.

    Does that make sense? Of course, I would never abase myself in that way either, but my desire to belong and be accepted by people worthy of respect (and at that time, I deemed my grandparents as the only ones - my classmates, no WAY). So I 'adopted' their values as my own.
    It makes total sense to me how you would feel that way. You were seeking security, like all children do. When you found it, you were willing to do most anything to hold on to it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    I was dying to have siblings for years. In fact, I begged my mother to have more children even though I knew it would not be good for any of us, which is pretty stupid. I don't know why I did that.
    I did too!! Well, being an only child was pretty rare until somewhat recently, in the West, at least. I wanted siblings because I wanted to be like "everyone else". Being an only child, amongst other things, made me feel different

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    I can count on one hand the number of times I had been invited to someone's house (That's sad) or invited someone over (even worse). Literally. Once when I was 6, I was invited to a birthday party (probably out of pity, I guess) and I got sick afterward. Once when I was 8, and I also got sick afterwards. Once when I was 10 or 12. Once when I was 16. In fact, out of all the years I have been alive, I don't think I have ever hosted a sleepover or a party ever except once. It was when I was 10, I believe. Never again.

    I'm kind of ashamed to admit that, but what the hell?
    But it's not too late to start, right?!


    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    EXACTLY. I quote, verbatim, what I said to a student who is miserably failing my class due to a bunch of difficult external circumstances at the moment,

    "I want to help you because I know you could do this if you put the effort into it. I believe that you can do this. However, you need to promise me and yourself something: If I take the extra time and help you, I want you to take it seriously. You will have to work very hard, and I want you to do so. But if you do, I'm sure you'll make it."

    What should I do? Waste my time on some fool who doesn't care and doesn't want to get better? NO! My time is too precious to be wasted on people who don't take things seriously. However, I am devoted and very reliable and put all my mind, heart, and soul into helping people who want and need to be helped. But not every asshole.
    Reading that just tickled me to no end. Seriously, mom? That's pretty much the exact thing that she used to tell her own students. You're pretty explicit about what you expect, no? Pretty firm once you've made yourself clear?


    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    I've wavered 3-4 times throughout my life somewhere between moderate and reactionary conservative/conservative nationalist. Never left-wing. That never appealed to me - always seemed like a bunch of crazy, hippie, idealistic to a FAULT (nothing wrong with idealism, but gimme a break!), nudists on a beach - okay I'm stereotyping here to make a point, but you get it.
    LOL, I see what you're saying, yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    However, and I want to make this very clear, I'M NOT ONE OF THOSE CRAZY NEO-CONS...pseudo-intellectual wannabe-a-conservative-but-are-just-a-bunch-of-weird-ass-industrialist-idiots. I want values, not just letting economy run wild. I can't stand Bush for that reason - not because he's conservative but because he IS NOT but PRETENDS to be. Running into wars all over the world and wasting billions of hard-earned dollars? Is that conservative? NO! Signing a bunch of crazy things to hurt American jobs? Is that conservative? NO! Sending our young men to die for a cause that was lost from the very beginning due to a LIE!? Is that conservative? NO!
    True, true.


    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    Regarding religion, I was a staunch Irish Roman Catholic for 18 years. Then I switched and just was...well, nothing. Then I became a Muslim for a few weeks, decided it made no sense, and cut that out. Then I got involved with Siddha Yoga, which was really helpful but there's not community near me and I don't care anyway. Now I just meditate alone and I'm more into spirituality until something more meaningful (if ever) comes along.
    Wow, what an interesting journey.


    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    I'm only really comfortable being with people I truly relate to, where I can have good, stimulating conversation or playful fun (a good mixture is awesome ). Fun means innocent fun, nothing like drinking or clubbing or weird stuff like that. Even out from under the auspices of my family, I cannot stand just drinking, clubbing or dancing. Not my thing.

    It's not that I hate it, or that I think it's EVOOOOOO or something, I just do not like it, and I do not see the point. You can't talk or enjoy because the music is too loud. It's a waste of money. I'm a terrible dancer, completely uncoordinated, and just make an ass out of myself. Drinking is the biggest waste of time and is harmful for the body. Generally vacuous people who have nothing to offer me. So why bother?
    I've never been a clubber either or much of a drinker, but I love the noise factor of a party, and I love being around so many people who seem to be happy and enjoying life. I welcome happy chaos; although, I prefer close intimacy with that chaos. I am bugged by people who are, what I would consider to be, irresponsible with their bodies. Then again, people's weaknesses typically give me interest in them.

    In this regard, you sound like another EXTJ I know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    Sure, I enjoy sharing, especially when people take me seriously, because most people don't. I'm so different that they do not think I am 'for real', whatever that means. Anyway, I AM 'for real,' and I sense that you and most others on this thread respect that, so I want to give as much info as possible to make a typing accurate. It's worth my time and effort, you see.
    Absolutely.


    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    Teaching. I get great joy out of the transformation I see from uncomfortable, awkward, insecure sort-of English speakers to confident, able English speakers. I know this will provide them with something they can use, and I enjoy seeing the development.

    However, I get very frustrated if I put everything I have into my teaching and nothing comes out of it. Or if people don't listen or take me seriously (which rarely happens). Then I get very irritated and just want to leave (but I do not, obviously).

    Every once in a while, you have a rare nugget, where you can have great conversations with people who want to learn. There's one class I have now with people taking their A-levels, and they want to talk about social and political issues, are able and willing to engage in different projects and activities, and the class flows smoothly and wonderfully. In the first lesson, a young lady came and asked me for extra help of her own accord (long story). I was compelled to help her because of her drive and interest, and she's actually quite bright.

    Once I had a student who founded his own science business and he was quiet, bright, capable, and very intelligent and knowledgeable about a wide variety of topics. One never knew what would come next. Quickly, we decided to put the book aside, and discussed everything from philosophy to economics, from history to society, from music to literature, from politics to business. I LOVED those classes. He gave me his wisdom and knowledge (he was in his mid-60s) and I gave him my knowledge of English. We learned from each other, and I loved it. He also appreciated and respected me, and I him. Brilliant.



    Very much so. I have really appreciated your input (and others' as well!) It has been most helpful, and I would appreciate any additional insight you or others may have.



    My family mentioned the fact that I was always a 'good girl' and a 'good woman' with 'good values' who led a 'good life.' Eh, whatever that means. I tried my best. I was not really a problem child until I started struggling with some of my 'issues' or whatever. But I had definitely never taken drugs or smoked; I did not start drinking until I was 21. I did not have anything to do with guys (not even a kiss) until I was 20. First movie at 19. You get the picture. I mean how easy do you get?
    IXXJ or EXXJ, that's my incomplete, and final, answer. You seem very dutiful, you easily make judgment calls about people, were studios, competitive for the thrill of competition(and also to make your grandparents proud), have a clearly defined understanding of "success", are put off by people/ideas that seem far outside the norm, have little pity for the underdog or those you see to be not truly desiring or deserving of help, work well within a traditional institution, etc....None of those things seem ENFPish to me, and those are the very things that seem to define much of who you are.
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    The Liquid Laser thinks you're an NTJ because you seemed studious, thoughtful and achievement oriented as a child. I don't see this as evidence that you're an NT. Liquid Laser's method was that of a typical MBTI typologist: if we see that a person is competence oriented and studious, he is an NT. In fact, the definition of an NT or any type for Liquid Laser consists in having a certain set of personality qualities.

    This won't cut it because we frequently display contradictory personality qualities or have qualities that identify with many profile descriptions. We must step away from an action-based and personality based typology and onto the study of the subject that deals with solid tendencies of thought first and foremost.

    I would say that you are definitely intuitive because since your childhood your nature seemed geared towards reflection rather than action. I hold to this view not because you engaged in reflection, but because even when circumstances did not seem to be particularly reinforcing or reflection, you still engaged in it. Hence, quite likely you had a solidified unconscious tendency to do that.

    I would say that you are extroverted because on this forum you show a tendency to be expressive significantly more than an average introvert does, even when you're not prompted. Again, I see what your true tendency is because it manifests under circumstances where behaving in a way that I think is the most natural to you was not rewarded or reinforced.

    You weren't particularly sociable because it was almost impossible for you to be sociable in the environment around you.

    I would say Feeling type rather than Thinking because your intellectual interests had little to do with systematic thought. Your interests primarily gravitated towards languages or Fine arts. To this day, I do not see a natural tendency within you to approach ideas in a way that a person of an NT mindset would want to.

    As for your ambition to display competence, this could be attributed to your upbringing where you felt you had something to prove to your grandparents. Namely that you are deserving of respect and one way to do that is by excelling at activities that you're talented at.

    Although Fine Arts (Languages) is primarily an N oriented activity, because it involved scholarly endeavors frequently, it is persuasive that it has developed your Thinking. As a result, you were able to enjoy its benefits without being influenced by it nearly as much as many NT types tended to.

    To be an F type does not mean to be person-focused as Liquid Laser may say. To be an F type means to be focused on emotive valuations or mind-states that refer to other mind-states as either pleasant or unpleasant. For many F people, interacting with other individuals offers satisfactory opportunities to do so. Yet your personal background led you to elect the Fine arts as a substitute for the activity of interacting with people.
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    ESTJ. or ESFJ.
    +you seem enneagram 3 (competence, competing with classmates)

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    Ok, I've caught up on this thread and after reading more of your self-descriptions as well as functional identifications, I'm going to swap my position to ESTJ with strongly developed Ne and Fi.

    Te, Si, Ne, Fi make sense as a general structure?
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    First, thank you to Liquid Laser for your ideas. I will definitely consider them in my analysis.

    Second, EnFpFer, thanks once again, and please allow me to address your points:

    I hear you. Again, sounds a lot like my mother(EXTJ). She was incredibly dutiful as a child and still is as an adult. She was motivated by making her parents proud, and is incredibly achievement oriented. Do you generally appreciate the role of authority figures?
    I am dutiful if I believe the person in question (authority or not) has my best interests in mind and the things that person says make sense. I'm not about to hop on any bandwagon just because some authority figure tells me to do something, though.

    Take the example of not speaking in class: If I speak in class, I distract myself and my classmates. I cannot listen or focus. Besides, most of what they have to say is crap that no one cares about anyway. If on a scale of 1 to 10 the things your classmates have to say is a 1-3 and the teacher says a 5-7, and you're getting graded for the more interesting stuff, doesn't it make sense to pay attention to the teacher.


    It makes total sense to me how you would feel that way. You were seeking security, like all children do. When you found it, you were willing to do most anything to hold on to it.
    Right.


    I did too!! Well, being an only child was pretty rare until somewhat recently, in the West, at least. I wanted siblings because I wanted to be like "everyone else". Being an only child, amongst other things, made me feel different
    We had the same conclusion, but not the same primary motivation. I thought that if I had siblings, I finally would not be alone and would have someone to relate to. At that young age, I did not take into account that my siblings would actually be completely different, hate my guts, or beat me up.

    But it's not too late to start, right?!
    I wish I could say you're right, but I hate parties, especially hosting them. Totally not my thing. I wish it were different because I'm sure I'd have lots more (fake?) friends - ah never mind, scratch that, I'm happy the way I am.

    Reading that just tickled me to no end. Seriously, mom? That's pretty much the exact thing that she used to tell her own students. You're pretty explicit about what you expect, no? Pretty firm once you've made yourself clear?
    EXACTLY! If I make my expectations clear and even give students a certain amount of leeway for creativity and expression within those boundaries AND I give students every chance to talk to me before, during and after class, during which time I show fair compassion, then I expect my expectations to be carried out. And when people THEN do not listen or abide by my rules, then I take out the whip and say, "No more Ms.-Nice-Teacher." (Not literally, but you know what I mean. Some people really need that).
    LOL, I see what you're saying, yes.



    I've never been a clubber either or much of a drinker, but I love the noise factor of a party, and I love being around so many people who seem to be happy and enjoying life. I welcome happy chaos; although, I prefer close intimacy with that chaos. I am bugged by people who are, what I would consider to be, irresponsible with their bodies. Then again, people's weaknesses typically give me interest in them.
    It bothers me. I like to get away from it. In fact, I would rather do an interesting activity, like go out to eat and have great discussions in a nice, quiet atmosphere. Or I would like to have a nice glass of wine in the middle of nature. Or I would like to go to a museum or something, and discuss things. Or I would prefer going over someone's house and watching movies and chit-chat. But otherwise, blahhhh. No parties.


    IXXJ or EXXJ, that's my incomplete, and final, answer. You seem very dutiful, you easily make judgment calls about people, were studios, competitive for the thrill of competition(and also to make your grandparents proud), have a clearly defined understanding of "success", are put off by people/ideas that seem far outside the norm, have little pity for the underdog or those you see to be not truly desiring or deserving of help, work well within a traditional institution, etc....None of those things seem ENFPish to me, and those are the very things that seem to define much of who you are.
    Thank you. You were very helpful in narrowing down the possibilities, just like Liquid Laser gave a very specific approach, which I appreciate.
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