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    3 11.54%
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    4 15.38%
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  1. #141
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon Candle View Post
    I appreciate the feedback from actual ENFJs (btw, why haven't you been on vent Pitseleh?) I would really like it if people gave me some feedback on my crazy function development theory on this page ^^^
    I haven't emailed Ivy yet for a vent ID, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon Candle View Post
    I really like the tertiary temptation thing. I especially like this George Costanza breakdown:



    Okay, now reverse it:

    "No one has to like me. Logically, there are reasons why no one should or does like me."
    --inferior Ti

    What makes one lean on this mindset in the first place? How would one jump to this unhealthy view of Ti? When the ego can't locate the truth of this world view:

    "The relationships of friend-friend, parent-child, husband-wife, teacher-student, teammate-teammate, leader-follower, and many others are all ultimately defined by and exist in the medium of gestures exchanged between people--gestures that they recognize as defining that relationship."
    --Fe

    When the Fe ego is under pressure, it will first appeal to its tertiary helper: Se.



    When the ego can't locate the truth of its world view, it will simply take everything "as is". I then take everything literally. The fact that I haven't said anything today, is because I literally have "no one" to talk to. Like George Costanza's poor use of Ne, I dont really "want to" use Ni effectively here. Instead I use it poorly, to back up my Fe-Se axis: "The deeper meaning is that people have a sinister dislike for me. No one sat next to me, its because there is a deeper dislike of me". The conspiracy thus re-enforces what my Se tertiary temptation was feeding the ego: "factually, there simply is no one here, right here and now".

    Thus the Fe inadequacy of the situation deepens, and the Se help is justified continually by warped and untrusted parent Ni. The appeal of a Ti understanding of the social world thus becomes lower and lower hanging fruit, "No one has to like me".

    So if this is the operational definition ^^^
    Then it could explain what we all plainly observe:
    1. I worry about Fe, a lot
    2. I default to Se, but reluctantly (im clearly not Se-dom)
    3. I use Ni
    4. I have some aspirational Ti
    5. I have some Fi

    I will only address 1, 2 and 5 (the others have been addressed before).

    1. I worry about Fe, a lot
    As a young kid (pre-middle school), I had some issues learning to talk. I could not express myself or connect as I wanted to. I would either cope through force, or climb into my head (imagination). I think I never really learned how to properly operate Fe, though its still at the front of my concerns. I think this is what separates me from ESTP or ISTP (they just dont seem to care).


    2. I default to Se, but reluctantly (im clearly not Se-dom)

    I do not "like" Se. I hate most typical Se activities. What I do like, is self expression, which can be Se. This sounds much more like tertiary than primary Se. Secondly, as a child, I often resorted to 'violence' (when ur little, its not as 'brutal' as the word 'violence' seems to represent) when my primary mode began to fail me (ive been a nice guy since then ).

    5. I have some Fi

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/online-personality-tests/14022-functions-analysis-what-s-my-mbti-type.html
    At a glance, the ENFJs tended to have rather equal Fi/Fe (and the INFPs also sometimes had rather equal Fi/Fe). Its only a self report inventory, but its worth noting that even the "strong identifiers", seem to overlap.

    ------------------------------------
    So this "messed up ENFJ" functional analysis would leave me as someone who:

    • appears Se > Ti when there is little faith in Fe, (I have been told by a close friend that people who don't talk to me, get the ESTP frat boy impression).
    • runs on the Fe-Se axis when carefree attention whoring (think ventrilo).
    • probably runs best when Fe-Se is broken with some well adjusted Ni.
    • is happiest when Fe works like it should
    • gets stuck in a conspiracy theory loop of Ni-Se-Ti when over analyzing
    • can simmer with weak Fi and outward guilt, justified by unhealthy Ti, like any EXFJ can


    Now, there might be a simpler theory than all of this. It would be the exact opposite:



    ...I like my theory better. I posted earlier about my ISTP father. I love him, but I just don't see myself as ISTP.
    To me, that makes sense. However, I question my ENFJness all the time but most people would probably say I'm no introvert.

    I sometimes think I have broken Fe because some days I just don't care about people even though I still try to consider them.

    Also, I am obsessed w/ trying to be objective and analytical but at the end of the day, I know that I SUCK at it (aspirational Ti?).

    Se makes me observant of things in the present moment and adds an urgency for me to do things NOW or else.

    Fe makes me form an immediate opinion but Ni forces me to step back and look at things from other angles.

    I don't really know if I get into FeSe loop much but I get more into NiTi loop when I get EXTREMELY stressed (trying to avoid Fe at all costs, I guess).

    Make what you will of it. Sorry if it doest really answer your question though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon Candle View Post
    I really like the tertiary temptation thing. I especially like this George Costanza breakdown:



    Okay, now reverse it:

    "No one has to like me. Logically, there are reasons why no one should or does like me."
    --inferior Ti

    What makes one lean on this mindset in the first place? How would one jump to this unhealthy view of Ti? When the ego can't locate the truth of this world view:

    "The relationships of friend-friend, parent-child, husband-wife, teacher-student, teammate-teammate, leader-follower, and many others are all ultimately defined by and exist in the medium of gestures exchanged between people--gestures that they recognize as defining that relationship."
    --Fe

    When the Fe ego is under pressure, it will first appeal to its tertiary helper: Se.



    When the ego can't locate the truth of its world view, it will simply take everything "as is". I then take everything literally. The fact that I haven't said anything today, is because I literally have "no one" to talk to. Like George Costanza's poor use of Ne, I dont really "want to" use Ni effectively here. Instead I use it poorly, to back up my Fe-Se axis: "The deeper meaning is that people have a sinister dislike for me. No one sat next to me, its because there is a deeper dislike of me". The conspiracy thus re-enforces what my Se tertiary temptation was feeding the ego: "factually, there simply is no one here, right here and now".

    Thus the Fe inadequacy of the situation deepens, and the Se help is justified continually by warped and untrusted parent Ni. The appeal of a Ti understanding of the social world thus becomes lower and lower hanging fruit, "No one has to like me".

    So if this is the operational definition ^^^
    Then it could explain what we all plainly observe:
    1. I worry about Fe, a lot
    2. I default to Se, but reluctantly (im clearly not Se-dom)
    3. I use Ni
    4. I have some aspirational Ti
    5. I have some Fi

    I will only address 1, 2 and 5 (the others have been addressed before).

    1. I worry about Fe, a lot
    As a young kid (pre-middle school), I had some issues learning to talk. I could not express myself or connect as I wanted to. I would either cope through force, or climb into my head (imagination). I think I never really learned how to properly operate Fe, though its still at the front of my concerns. I think this is what separates me from ESTP or ISTP (they just dont seem to care).


    2. I default to Se, but reluctantly (im clearly not Se-dom)

    I do not "like" Se. I hate most typical Se activities. What I do like, is self expression, which can be Se. This sounds much more like tertiary than primary Se. Secondly, as a child, I often resorted to 'violence' (when ur little, its not as 'brutal' as the word 'violence' seems to represent) when my primary mode began to fail me (ive been a nice guy since then ).

    5. I have some Fi

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/online-personality-tests/14022-functions-analysis-what-s-my-mbti-type.html
    At a glance, the ENFJs tended to have rather equal Fi/Fe (and the INFPs also sometimes had rather equal Fi/Fe). Its only a self report inventory, but its worth noting that even the "strong identifiers", seem to overlap.

    ------------------------------------
    So this "messed up ENFJ" functional analysis would leave me as someone who:

    • appears Se > Ti when there is little faith in Fe, (I have been told by a close friend that people who don't talk to me, get the ESTP frat boy impression).
    • runs on the Fe-Se axis when carefree attention whoring (think ventrilo).
    • probably runs best when Fe-Se is broken with some well adjusted Ni.
    • is happiest when Fe works like it should
    • gets stuck in a conspiracy theory loop of Ni-Se-Ti when over analyzing
    • can simmer with weak Fi and outward guilt, justified by unhealthy Ti, like any EXFJ can


    Now, there might be a simpler theory than all of this. It would be the exact opposite:



    ...I like my theory better. I posted earlier about my ISTP father. I love him, but I just don't see myself as ISTP.
    Wow. This really makes a lot of sense, and it's crazy how much I relate to you! I'm glad you found the answer!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruthie View Post
    marmalade, marmalade, marmalade... "detail-oriented" is not a pre-requisite for SJ... If it were, there's no way I'd make the cut.

    That said, I also wouldn't read too much into that weird time-travely thing. It makes it sound like all NPs live their life on acid.

    Also, if you do start a separate thread, count me in to play along. You'd make an interesting guinea pig.
    Actually I already had a thread in August that has long since been forgotten:

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...fp-enfp-4.html

    I think the strong development of my Fi and recognition of Si in myself leans toward INFP. I've also been told repeatedly that I am too serious, analytical, or that my posts are too structured for me to be an ENFP...but there are a couple of other ENFPs on here that seem that way too.

    I have a hard time accepting INFP because IRL I am not "behind-the-scenes" temperament at all. If anything I'm extremely direct, start conversations with others, talk a lot, and will vocally defend people I care about.

    I wonder if I should do the "this is what I was like as a kid" think that Little Linguist did. Eh - I don't care right now. I'm sleepy. But your input is welcome, Ruthie or anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Actually I already had a thread in August that has long since been forgotten:

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...fp-enfp-4.html

    I think the strong development of my Fi and recognition of Si in myself leans toward INFP. I've also been told repeatedly that I am too serious, analytical, or that my posts are too structured for me to be an ENFP...but there are a couple of other ENFPs on here that seem that way too.

    I have a hard time accepting INFP because IRL I am not "behind-the-scenes" temperament at all. If anything I'm extremely direct, start conversations with others, talk a lot, and will vocally defend people I care about.

    I wonder if I should do the "this is what I was like as a kid" think that Little Linguist did. Eh - I don't care right now. I'm sleepy. But your input is welcome, Ruthie or anyone else.
    When you're not so sleepy, you should start another thread - either what you were like as a kid, or just some standard bullet points for each argument. I just read through the INFP or ENFP thread, and nothing in it really jumped out as indicative of one type or the other.

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    I've been thinking about how there are possibly different levels of inferior projection than for instance VagrantFarce talks about in his thread. I think this could really affect how one sees typing through inferior projection:

    example:ENTJ
    level 1: absent Fi --> lex luther exerts his will with no concern for Fi
    level 2: Fi pedestal --> ENTJ sits on his butt (shadow ISFP), depressed

    example:ENFJ
    level 1: absent Ti --> Martyr extends his influence with no concern for Ti
    level 2: Ti pedestal --> ENFJ sits on his butt (shadow ISTP) and thinks, "Logically, no one has to like each other".

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    I saw this in another thread and I thought, "hmm, could be a good gut instinct measure of my type". Though I admit it sounds very "folk typology".

    not me = could never see myself doing/saying the thing described
    all others ill just leave as "neutral"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace_ View Post
    ISFJ - Let me be your doormat.
    not me
    INFJ - I invented Jesus in my image.
    not me
    ISTJ - Ofcourse I'd love to die for my country!
    not me
    INTJ - I know everything about life, but I don't have one.

    INTP - I take social awkwardness to a whole new level.
    not me
    ISTP - Killing people for money is a job I'd seriously consider, as a dream job you know.
    not me
    ISFP - Yes, I am saying that this pile of bicycle tires and seats is art!
    not me
    INFP - I was born depressed.
    not me
    ESFJ - Buying stuff I don't need and making babies makes me happy.
    not me
    ENFJ - I am the nicest, most moral and kind person in the world and you should follow me and act like me.

    ESTJ - I love getting up early and working my ass off every day so I can brag about my achievements and rub them in everyone's face.

    ESTP - Yo, chill man, have a beer.
    not me
    ENTJ - God doesn't exist so I'm a good enough replacement.
    not me
    ENTP - Last night I solved the Riemann hypothesis while on LSD but I ripped my papers into shreds because I was so fucking high.
    not me
    ESFP - Hey, look at me everyone, I can drink through my nose!
    not me
    ENFP - I can persuade a professor to give me a chance to take a test after arriving 90 minutes late for it. (this actually happened with my ENFP friend. He did the test in 2 minutes and got a B)
    not me
    Maybe someone can guess if any of these stereotypes even jokingly fit me sometimes?

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    Is this a good test? HumanMetrics

    Your Type is
    ENFJ
    Extraverted.....Intuitive.....Feeling.....Judging
    11................... 88............62............89

    • slightly expressed extravert
    • very expressed intuitive personality
    • distinctively expressed feeling personality
    • very expressed judging personality

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    INFP.
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    'Cause you can't handle me...

    "A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it." - David Stevens

    "That that is, is. That that is not, is not. Is that it? It is."

    Veritatem dies aperit

    Ride si sapis

    Intelligentle sparkles

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    I like the human metrics test a lot. Wow that is actually a really high Feeling score, so is there no longer any doubt to ENFJness?

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