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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Of course, but willingness to act doesn't count for much if you lack the mental capacity for it. You'll never see an engineer with an IQ of 90 walking around.
    I don't know, I just really think that with determination, anyone can be anything they want to be. I think that a high IQ may help, but I don't believe it's the end all.

    Isn't it possible to gain a higher IQ if you work at it? Or am I wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ayoitsStepho View Post
    I don't know, I just really think that with determination, anyone can be anything they want to be. I think that a high IQ may help, but I don't believe it's the end all.
    it's not the end all, but it's pretty important. A person with an IQ of 80 will probably be able to become some sort of technician if they work really, really hard at it, but they'll never be an engineer or an analyst or what have you. conversely someone with an average IQ can work really hard and become a teacher, or maybe an engineer.

    Isn't it possible to gain a higher IQ if you work at it? Or am I wrong?
    Yeah, but the effect is pretty limited (4 points or so). The biggest factor affecting intelligence is nutrition, but even eating healthy and hearty you're unlikely to gain more than 8 IQ points or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ayoitsStepho View Post
    I don't know, I just really think that with determination, anyone can be anything they want to be. I think that a high IQ may help, but I don't believe it's the end all.
    Exactly. You can probably teach anyone (with a normal range IQ) anything, but it might take a long time and they would really have to apply themselves.

    IQ is the supply and demand of brains. The supply of people good at the things tested in IQ tests is lower so they seem more important. Anything rare is equated with more value, it doesn't make it intrisically of more value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Alright, here's my response: Bullshit. Proof? People who are intelligent but detail-oriented still score as Sensing in MBTI tests, because they are sensors. Being intelligent does not turn them into people who prefer abstraction over concrete details, because otherwise they'd be intuitors.
    What constitutes intelligence is largely debatable, as it is not linear, but multifaceted. We've had this discussion before, and if you want to read the conclusions then go here:

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...gent-myth.html

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    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...upid-myth.html

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    I agree. Sensors are probably more likely to have kinesthetic (or linguistic in the case of Si-heavy SJs) intelligence whereas Intuitors are more likely to have visual-spatial or logical intelligence. Nevertheless the evidence bears out INTJs being almost universally smart, and ESFPs being almost universally... not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    I agree. Sensors are probably more likely to have kinesthetic (or linguistic in the case of Si-heavy SJs) intelligence whereas Intuitors are more likely to have visual-spatial or logical intelligence. Nevertheless the evidence bears out INTJs being almost universally smart, and ESFPs being almost universally... not.
    You are not being unreasonable here, but please for the love of God, no more threads about which types are usually most intelligent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    INFPs not only can have high IQs (Every type can, except maybe ESFPs), but they are very likely to. INFP has the fourth-highest statistical IQ average of MBTI types, after INTJ, INTP and INFJ.
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    I bet it's this one:

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    Cite your sources.
    I've done it at least three times already (And no, it's not that blog post).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Bullshit. Proof? People who are intelligent but detail-oriented still score as Sensing in MBTI tests, because they are sensors.
    Well you have a really single minded way of looking at things. I'm going to repeat myself again, I think that sensors who are intelligent score as N's on tests because of the way tests are laid out. Because the makers may think that N = intelligent and S = simpleton. So the non simpleton S's would score as Ns. You seem to think that all tests are flawless and score every S as an S and every N as an N.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Bullshit. Proof? People who are intelligent but detail-oriented still score as Sensing in MBTI tests, because they are sensors.
    Why?
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