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    Senior Member une_autre's Avatar
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    Exclamation Succeed in typing what I couldn't.

    I would like to be able to type this person. He sparked my curiosity.

    He is an artist. He draws stuff and is a student at a school of art. He has an outrageously high opinion of himself and in the context of critical views; he deems other people's work as lacking the stroke of talent which he obviously attributes to himself. As well as that, he expects praise for his geniality. In my opinion, he is not at all untalented. But his works of art are spoiled by the way in which he presents them as masterpieces.

    Interesting piece of info, that probably wants to hear and also irrelevant to his type, he watches animal porn. However, even against irrefutable proof, he denied the fact, probably he thought that it wouldn't look good on his record with me.

    He is extremely pushy and manipulative (I would have said „persuasive”, but then I realized that in no way would this word match the intensity of what he does). He tries to impose his will on others, but only doing so does not content him. He feel the need to make sure that everybody thinks he was right. When refused, he would force people into doing what he feels is right to, even physically (to the extent allowed by the existent social relations).
    When confronted with his own flaws and mistakes, he doesn't acknowledge them, but rather tries to convince the opposite party of the fatal errors of their rationale. When I tell him he has a flaw, he asks me if I am joking or not. Explaining him that some aspects of his behaviour bothered me, he, instead, told me that I was weird for thinking that. He considers every type of behaviour that doesn't fit his known patterns to be abnormal.

    This guy doesn't know the word "please". Everything he asks for is on an imperative tone. "I WANT to know this. DO that." Also, very direct.

    He is awfully messy and has serious difficulties in cleaning after himself. I am talking about dirtiness, not untidiness. For example, leaving beer to grow mould in the living room.

    He likes to exercise and being fit is important to him. He is a very visual person.

    He is a pretty reserved person and doesn't particularly enjoy attention, rather the contrary. When people started singing to him „Happy Birthday”, he was blushing and tried to stop them at all costs.
    Sometimes, it seems to me that he doesn't like to see people in pain. He also seems to be a bit emotional, as his friend told me that he started to cry when thinking about home.

    When it comes to relationships, he doesn't settle for a single girl. He hits on everything that has two legs and nothing in between and when I think of him, I instantly think of commitment issues. After a girl rejects him, it stops to exist for him. He doesn't have sense of what is appropriate and what not and his jokes seem offensive for most people. I think this comes from the fact that he is not perceptive at all towards the signals emitted by others, nor does he consider their feelings (should he find out what these are).

    His behaviour seems paradoxal to me. And thus, type him where I epically failed.

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    Suggestion, he's not being his type because he's possibly all screwed up under the surface. When "screwed up" (a technical term I think you'll agree) the coping mechanisms are often in direct contradiction to the subjects normal preferences.

    Seems to be F though. Not sure why I think that but the pattern kind of smells (or tastes depending on your preference) of F. Something about being embarrassed when people sing for him but perfectly fine announcing that he's the best thing out there.

    I'm contemplating INFP because there's lots of ESTJ like characteristics in there and most of them are negative, hence supporting the concept of an INFP who's really, really not happy.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    SLE - Socionics ESTp.
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    prolly ESTP, but it sounds like he has some personality disorder

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    I thought about that however, I feel like we are miles an miles away.
    Please explain the reasoning which led you to this conclusion.
    Screwed up as he is, I cannot possibly fathom him being an ESTP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by une_autre View Post
    I thought about that however, I feel like we are miles an miles away.
    Please explain the reasoning which led you to this conclusion.
    Screwed up as he is, I cannot possibly fathom him being an ESTP.
    Being the same type doesn't mean you'll exactly be alike. Maybe you aren't even ESTp.

    I'm just working with what you've given us, mind you, so .... yeah. I could be horribly wrong, so I'm just explaining my could-be horrible conclusion.

    He tries to impose his will on others, but only doing so does not content him. He feel the need to make sure that everybody thinks he was right. When refused, he would force people into doing what he feels is right to, even physically (to the extent allowed by the existent social relations).

    This guy doesn't know the word "please". Everything he asks for is on an imperative tone. "I WANT to know this. DO that." Also, very direct.
    Sounds like Se - imposing his will on others, exercising his will in opposition to others, directing others.

    Creative Ti - he will not submit to your logic, deeming the problems you have with his behavior and advice unworthy of consideration, and attempts to point how flawed and mistaken you are.

    Fi PoLR - not doing what's appropriate, unaware of the signals and feelings emitted by others and simply just not caring to find out, and just seems not to value interpersonal relationships at all. He clearly doesn't value Fi.
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    He needs to have other people around if only to dominate them and push them about, so that makes him an E. That he doesn't like it when people embarrass him or push him around (as he would see the happy birthday incident) is not indicative of him being an I, but rather confirms that he has a particular public profile he wishes to maintain for the sake of how others see him - hence an E. The final proof is in the *ahem* erotic material. An I would not find it necessary to maintain this front, only an E, concerned what others think of them, would do this.

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    He is an artist and he thinks that everyone else's work lacks a stroke of talent. Not that everyone else's work is technically lacking but that a certain something is missing, a certain meta quality that is beyond the five senses.

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    The imperative tone. Clearly a very definite (and introverted) thought process has been gone through before he says DO THIS NOW. In his mind he probably not being rude. He assume that everyone is following his logic.

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    The chaos of his living area and the interchangeable girls. Clearly this chap moves from one spontaneous thing to the next with no regard for what has gone before (be they beer bottles or girls). A J would try to keep a few constants going.

    This gives us a type dynamic of:

    Primary - Extroverted Intuition - "My pictures are masterpieces."
    Secondary - Introverted Thinking - "Do this NOW."
    Tertiary - (Either) Feeling - showed up as extroverted feeling when he was unhappy at being sung at.
    Inferior - Introverted Sensing - Does he read the same book or watch the same film over and over again under extreme stress?

    Hope this helps.

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    As I was saying, it's difficult to type him. I'd like to hear more opinions...

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    Just to say, he isn't an ENTp - the only two typings he could possibly be from that information is LSI (ISTj) and SLE (ESTp).
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