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    ISFJ? Really?

    Hmm. I would have thought INFJ.

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    She has lots of different ideas about what type of nurse she wants to be. Everytime I see her she is all excited about a new idea of what she could do after her degree. She likes that there are so many different areas you can go into; last time she talked about being an alternative health-care nurse or even a pilates nurse! But managing an aged care home still seems to be at the forefront, I think because she sees some kind of injustice there. She is practical too though and knows that aged care is a growing field.

    She changed her mind over and over again even after she had sent in her application (early of course!), changing her preferences constantly. Considering counselling, social work, teaching, international studies, an arts major, psychology and finally nursing.

    Her favourite film is 'To Kill a Mockingbird.' She wants to marry someone exactly like Atticus Finch. She hates "rooster men" and wants a strong, principled, quiet, humble man who fights for justice.

    "She talks a lot about ethical and moral problems that she sees people she knows are experiencing. She thinks about what she would do in the situation. She can be very adament about whether a person is good or bad. She has a very people oriented conversation, she tells me all the news about people she knows and we talk about whether we thought they are making the right decisions in their life."
    This is sort of what makes me think she is an N. She has a more abstract perspective on things, in that she can apply what she sees happening in one situation to another situation. For eg. a friend of hers got married very quickly and her husband ended up being abusive, so now she is very adament that she will never make a hasty decision like this until she is perfectly sure about the guy (marriage is a requirement for her as she is religious). She's seen this a couple of times and recognises the pattern.

    She gossips but its different to how others gossip, she doesn't just get a thrill from something shocking like some do, she actually reflects on what the news she has about someone means.

    Or perhaps this is just me projecting and influencing her conversation along these lines?

    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    ISFJ? Really?

    Hmm. I would have thought INFJ.
    Why do you think she is an INFJ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentStream View Post
    She has lots of different ideas about what type of nurse she wants to be. Everytime I see her she is all excited about a new idea of what she could do after her degree. She likes that there are so many different areas you can go into; last time she talked about being an alternative health-care nurse or even a pilates nurse! But managing an aged care home still seems to be at the forefront, I think because she sees some kind of injustice there. She is practical too though and knows that aged care is a growing field.
    I think your descriptions of her reasons for going into the field (i.e.: 'She says she wants to do this so that she can make sure the carers do things 'the right way.''), her practical side, and her desire to *tangibly*, physically, make a difference in the world (via her choice of career, and interest in the field...I don't know many INFJ's who would be nearly so keen at this field; this isn't a slight on ISFJ, nor am I saying there aren't any INFJ's out there who would, it's just an indication of different temperament as well as different motivations for career) indicate ISFJ. Everything you describe about her seems very down-to-earth, no-nonsense, and real-world. Tangible concerns about people and the world at large, and corresponding beliefs/cares (SiFe).

    This is sort of what makes me think she is an N. She has a more abstract perspective on things, in that she can apply what she sees happening in one situation to another situation. For eg. a friend of hers got married very quickly and her husband ended up being abusive, so now she is very adament that she will never make a hasty decision like this until she is perfectly sure about the guy (marriage is a requirement for her as she is religious). She's seen this a couple of times and recognises the pattern.
    I don't see this example as indicating an abstract perspective/nature (also, it's not as if S's are incapable of tying one situation to another ). She's observing her friends' situation and integrating that experience into her own view of things and relationships. And....recognizing this pattern in terms of relationships is hardly an N thing. It's something most women decide after a few messed up relationships or watching messed up relationships of their friends.

    Honestly, she sounds well-rounded and intelligent. I can understand her not caring for the ISFJ/SJ descriptions, but nothing you've said about her really speaks INFJ to me (I'm not seeing much having to do with Ni or Ni-dom tendencies/characteristics/behaviors in your descriptions; many of your descriptions have a tie to Fe, however).

    She gossips but its different to how others gossip, she doesn't just get a thrill from something shocking like some do, she actually reflects on what the news she has about someone means.
    Reflection/weighing information is simply a sign of introversion. I am well acquainted with one ISFJ, and she is hardly a gossip. She's very astute at reading people, kind-hearted and respectful (which is why she's not a malicious gossip), and open-minded. She's a listener and an empathizer, and over the couple of years that I've known her she's shown her depth and individuality.
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    Yeah I think I was scraping the barrel there! But I have to agree - shes an ISFJ.
    I am slightly disappointed that she isn't an INFJ which is weird because it really shouldn't make a difference. I guess because I must have some secret hope that she will suddenly get interested in what I like or perhaps I've actually been assuming she is more like me .
    Oh well, it sucks though because I don't have any friends who are Ns then. Damnit where are they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentStream View Post
    Yeah I think I was scraping the barrel there! But I have to agree - shes an ISFJ.
    I am slightly disappointed that she isn't an INFJ which is weird because it really shouldn't make a difference. I guess because I must have some secret hope that she will suddenly get interested in what I like or perhaps I've actually been assuming she is more like me .
    Oh well, it sucks though because I don't have any friends who are Ns then. Damnit where are they?
    Well, it sounds like you guys have good conversations and share some topics of interest, get along well, and are reasonably close. So, the S/N doesn't matter!

    Oh, you'll meet N's. The N's I know and who are part of my life are ones I've slowly 'accumulated' over a span of 13 years.
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    Hm, I was going to say INFJ. I guess perhaps I am just picking apart the bits that sound like me (how she dresses, sense of humor, etc).
    My ISFJ friend and I use to talk about our futures all of the time together. That was pretty much our favorite topic of conversation. So, I guess it cant' be said whether that is an INFJ thing or an ISFJ thing since we are each one of those and we both enjoyed it.
    A lot of her interests sound like my own as far as what she considered for careers. Counselor, psychologist or social work are all things I've thought about. I would never want to be a nurse though. I guess I am still on the fence. Why are people so certain ISFJ? What evidence points to that over INFJ (out of curiousity)?

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    I guess I tend not to put much emphasis on hobbies or interests, because while there can be correlations with type, there's just SO much crossover between types. So I kind of disregarded everything that was mentioned concerning her hobbies/interests; however, taken as a whole, more of it was tangible/sensory, and there was less of a sense of her being one who has more of a life in her mind - which is more of an INxx thing.

    No mention of random quirks, a more spacey, idealistic nature that has more difficulty coping with the real-world (esp. in terms of career and life/relationships in general; INFJ's tend to struggle in some major ways with finding their place in this world and making sense of it), no mention of really intellectual/philosophical/abstract/scientific/psychological/sociological conversations, or anything really that pointed towards more of an INxx personality. Again, lots of IxFJ stuff (i.e. concern for society/cultural things, relationships, and human issues on a large scale), but that's where ISFJ's and INFJ's will appear similar - the secondary Fe.

    I dunno, just my opinion. I thought ISFJ simply because she seemed clearly IxFJ, and there was nothing that pushed her in the dominant-Ni direction in my opinion. But, multiple other people also thought this, so they'd have to chime in too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cascadeco View Post
    ISFJ's can be quite opinionated, free-thinking, and don't necessarily follow the crowd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentStream View Post
    Why do you think she is an INFJ?
    I think she is an INFJ because you mentioned that she is very concerned with world affairs and social injustice as opposed to being more actively focused on simply making a difference in her own community - in my experience Si is more concerned with their own town and neighborhood. Yes, I realize that she wants to do something hands-on like nursing, but if she also has all this energy for theorizing about fixing the world on a global scale, that sounds much more like an N trait to me.

    She seems to be idealistic, too, like an NF.

    I know an INFJ who likes gardening, so that particular hobby doesn't necessarily make her an S.

    Then again, I assumed she was an American who likes British films, so I tend to stereotype that as an N thing. Maybe not.

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    I'm inclined to think ISFJ too - what makes me lean this way is the mention, in a few places, of bringing things back and applying them to people she knows. Discussing what she has learnt in terms of how it relates to people she knows, discussing what people she knows are doing, and so forth. 'Very people oriented conversation'.

    I know that this may be associated with F generally, but in my experience with NFs, their people oriented conversations tends to take place at a more theoretical level. It's...like sociology and psychology, more than about individual people. And when it is about individual people, it's still taking place in a theoretical framework.

    I could be wrong - there's always limited information to go on in a forum like this. But that is how it seems to me. (I'm also not seeing any evidence of Ni, but that's not to say it isn't there).

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