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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    I know someone who has high Fi and high Ti. He's an INTP, and he's extremely ethical.
    I mean using those functions at the same time, not right after another.

    For example, this is how I make decisions:

    Ni: Perceives the available frameworks.
    Te: Uses the environment to gauge every framework's level of efficiency and effectiveness. Selects several choices based on this analysis.
    Fi: After Te is done evaluating, the Fi sees how those choices fit into its morals.

    If I use all three actively in one moment, then I will never be able to make fast decisions because they lean towards conflicting directions.

    Ni: Get it right.
    Te: Get it done.
    Fi: Make it moral.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lethe View Post
    I mean using those functions at the same time, not right after another.

    For example, this is how I make decisions:

    Ni: Perceives the available frameworks.
    Te: Uses the environment to gauge every framework's level of efficiency. Selects several choices based on this analysis.
    Fi: After Te is done evaluating, the Fi sees how those choices fit into its morals.

    If I use all three actively in one moment, then I will never be able to make fast decisions because they lean towards conflicting directions.

    Ni: Get it right.
    Te: Get it done.
    Fi: Make it moral.
    I think he uses them together. He has a PhD in philosophy, and is also extremely concerned with current social ills and politics.

    Of course I can't tell you how he uses his functions, because he's just a friend of mine. Obviously I'm not inside his head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    I think he uses them together. He has a PhD in philosophy, and is also extremely concerned with current social ills and politics.

    Of course I can't tell you how he uses his functions, because he's just a friend of mine. Obviously I'm not inside his head.
    If you ever do, tell me. I'm very curious to know who does and how they do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWithSoul View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lethe View Post


    - How Fi is mistaken for Fe; specifically in INFPs
    As I said earlier, Fe can be encapsulated within Fi. For instance, if an INFP is told by his/her religion that "you must follow the law", then that concept may be ingrained within the INFP's Fi.

    - How Ne works in NPs
    Incredibly indecisive and theoretical.
    - Why separating oneself from one's perception is a challenging endeavor
    Sorry, but it's impossible. One must simply do what they can with what they were given.
    - The ever-imposing human needs and way it affects our decisions
    Human needs en masse, or individually?
    - The consequences of rejecting someone's human need
    Not being human, ei. dying.


    Yeah. I don't need a plethora of outside information to gain insights.
    I envy you.


    In your case, I would recommend the same conclusion for a different reason: saving your social reserves as a strong introvert, gaining quality personal interactions and inviting less moral troubles (Fi) for yourself.
    Thank you for the careful consideration.

    Conflict is sometimes necessary to help people expand on their thinking. We just need to be vigilant of when to start and where to stop. These boundaries are mainly up to each individual to determine for themselves.
    Of course. Our society is built upon colossal failures and conflicts. It is how we get things done. However, I think one of my own primary strengths is determining when conflict can work against itself. The only point one will prove with a sword is who is a better sword fighter. Not who is actually truthful.



    For someone who is a naturally terrible communicator like myself, it's a long, long procedure with countless failures. I have to keep reminding myself why reworking my communication style is suitable for excelling in my other goals.
    I wouldn't say that. You're an excellent writer.



    INFPs are considerably too individualistic to go along with the "mob mentality" without prior deliberation. Introverted feeling's flaws result in something else.
    Indeed. Most of them could learn a valuable lesson from expressing their Fi to the mobs, if they exerted the effort. People listen, you know.


    EDIT: I changed my looks to suite myself as an INFP forumer. The purple was bothering me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lethe View Post
    - INFJs with strong Fe emphasis
    Being that I'm [essentially] the only INFJ in this thread, would this be referring to me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Ashley View Post
    Being that I'm [essentially] the only INFJ in this thread, would this be referring to me?
    Spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    As I said earlier, Fe can be encapsulated within Fi. For instance, if an INFP is told by his/her religion that "you must follow the law", then that concept may be ingrained within the INFP's Fi.
    It was already inputted into my database when this idea was previously covered.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    Human needs en masse, or individually?
    Masses: Common themes
    Individual: How each need is carried out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    The only point one will prove with a sword is who is a better sword fighter. Not who is actually truthful.
    Unfortunately, pretty much. We can't quantify the truth without evidence. How else would we know that our own eyes aren't deceiving us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    Sorry, but it's impossible. One must simply do what they can with what they were given.
    Precisely. This thread offers more reasons on that.

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    I wouldn't say that. You're an excellent writer.
    After a million heated arguments resulting in personal & other's frustration, maybe. Just maybe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    Indeed. Most of them could learn a valuable lesson from expressing their Fi to the mobs, if they exerted the effort. People listen, you know.
    Right! Never assume that merely because someone appears incorrigible, they're not considering your input.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    EDIT: I changed my looks to suite myself as an INFP forumer. The purple was bothering me.
    Haha, I admit the old avatar was one of the things that gave me an Ni vibe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    There's really not much to gain from criticizing someone for their functions. That's about as inherently prejudiced as racism.
    Let's do an INTJ translation.

    Criticism only works when someone's willing to listen to them. Otherwise, you'll be hitting your head against a brick wall. If you want someone to listen, you must speak in their language unless they are fluent in yours.

    Criticism qualifies as racism when it unjustly interferes with your decisions. (Ex: Rejecting someone based on preconceived biases over their actual abilities.) But remember the manner in which a person defines as "criticism" or "racism" is mostly a subjective analysis that may not be applicable to everyone and every situation.

    However, we can never escape the confines of our judgment because the world is inherently colored by our perception (made from personal experiences, desires, values, character, etc.). Yet we can use this judgment to criticize our own, leading us to the creation of a superior one. Without being critical or having a judgment, this becomes virtually impossible to do and we can never progress as an individual or society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWithSoul View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lethe View Post
    Spot on.
    Wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Ashley View Post
    Wrong.
    I don't know much about you. Only what's written in this thread.

    When I mentioned that you have strong Fe, it's compared to the other INFJs I have met in the past. So I'm using my personal scale to determine this, but I am not stating it is the absolute truth, how applicable it is to anyone else's opinion, or anything beyond what I can perceive. I create these subjective evaluations to give me something to base my decisions upon. Ultimately, it's for my use. I will reconsider my stance when I'm presented with more information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWithSoul View Post
    Looking into the eyes of a [Ni user] is like peeking through a portal into a parallel universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lethe View Post
    Spot on.
    Mass: Common themes
    Individual: How each need is carried out.
    Mass: a good example wood be quantity vs quality.
    Individual: each need? Like Maslow's triangle chart?





    Haha, I admit the old avatar was one of the things that gave me an Ni vibe.
    And I admit that was calculated on my part.

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    Let's do an INTJ translation.

    Criticism only works when someone's willing to listen to them. Otherwise, you'll be hitting your head against a brick wall. If you want someone to listen, you must speak in their language unless their fluent in yours.

    Criticism qualifies as racism when it unjustly interferes with your decisions. (Ex: Rejecting someone based on preconceived biases over their actual abilities.) But remember the manner in which a person defines as "criticism" or "racism" is mostly a subjective analysis that may not be applicable to everyone and every situation.

    However, we can never escape the confines of our judgment because the world is inherently colored by our perception (made from personal experiences, desires, values, character, etc.). Yet we can use this judgment to criticize our own that leads to the creation of a superior one. Without being critical or having a judgment, this becomes virtually impossible to do and we can never progress as an individual or society.
    This reason is more rational. I suppose I was connecting the heritability of traits and functions to the heritability of race. But that probably just pissed him off, seeing as he doesn't like Fi. Maybe that was my intention.

    I agree that communication is essential. As I alluded to earlier, many things are lost in translation, even among people of a common language. This is due to personality archetypal functions.

    For instance, he was informing me of the MBTI functions in his ENTP fashion. He was simply displaying what he knows, because that's how he makes decisions.

    However, while that method applies to INFPs, it is probably not necessary for INFJs. Funny enough, he thought I was an INFJ. (Or at least wanted me to be one).

    And that is why your communication style is superior to his. You morph yourself to fit the needs of others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lethe View Post
    I don't know much about you. Only what's written in this thread.
    Exactly. So thanks for your pseudo-psychoanalysis. But no thanks.

    When I mentioned that you have strong Fe, it's compared to the other INFJs I have met in the past. So I'm using my personal scale to determine this, but I am not stating it is the absolute truth, nor how applicable it is to anyone else's opinion.
    I suggest you rethink what Fe is, because it's clear that I haven't used much of it in this thread. And also rethink Ni because you don't seem to have much of it at all (hint: look into Si-Te). That's my analysis, based on what's written in this thread.

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