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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    The Ni that I experience is basically taking 2 pieces of information and drawing a conclusion from it. It feels like playing Sudoku, and it is often the first thing that happens when I am obtaining new information.
    Ne draws connections among things in the external environment. It operates on the premise that there is some truth behind the scenes, and that to find this truth you locate all the clues and connect them into one picture. As you gather more data, this picture becomes clearer and clearer, rather like a connect-the-dots puzzle.

    Ni, on the other hand, withdraws from the world and focuses on the interpretive process itself. Instead of add up all the clues to get to the truth, Ni will consider various, often disparate ways to look at things. While it does this, Ni at the same rejects the idea that any one interpretation is the absolute truth. For Ni, the closest thing to an absolute truth would be a perspective that contains within it all the other possible perspectives, somewhat in the way that "four" contains "one," "two," and "three," depending on how you slice it.

    Ni can make internal connections, too, but I would have to say that what you described sounds more like Ne to me.
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    Interesting. I think I am having an identity crisis over here, haha.

    Mind you, I have not taken the professional version of the MBTI, but rather the online ghetto one. Would you recommend I get it from my counselor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    Interesting. I think I am having an identity crisis over here, haha.

    Mind you, I have not taken the professional version of the MBTI, but rather the online ghetto one. Would you recommend I get it from my counselor?
    I think the best thing you can do is to observe yourself, using the MBTI as your tool. You'll learn more about yourself and more about typology, and that's exactly what you need in order to choose your Type. If you take a test (most of which are poorly designed), you measure a few isolated behaviors and often end up with a false interpretation.
    [ Ni > Ti > Fe > Fi > Ne > Te > Si > Se ][ 4w5 sp/sx ][ RLOAI ][ IEI-Ni ]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nunki View Post
    I think the best thing you can do is to observe yourself, using the MBTI as your tool. You'll learn more about yourself and more about typology, and that's exactly what you need in order to choose your Type. If you take a test (most of which are poorly designed), you measure a few isolated behaviors and often end up with a false interpretation.
    Where would you start if you were me?

    I feel that I lean toward INFj because I use the "directing" form of communication. However, my imagination is as wild as any INFp's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    J or P only determines your dominant function. They are not functions in themselves. If you feel you are an introvert and have always had intuition as your dominant function, then you've always been an INFJ.

    Ne-dom is ENFP anyway, not INFP. An INFP is Fi-dom (introverted feeling).
    Ni and Fi are confusing to sort out if Ne is developed too. I'm not good on mbti and temperament but when I consider my own specialties, meaning what functions have served me in life, it has been those of intuition and feeling. Extraversion and introversion are also a measure of life events- environmental influences- which also compounds the issue and certainly will make the entire theory it rests upon seem like a can shot through with holes.

    One must develop acute sensing and thinking for one's frame, if inherently intuitive and feeling, or female in the dominant culture (similarly, but in reverse, to the growth that must occur for thinking and sensing creatures, or males), to the potential possible, in order to draw valid conclusions regarding which is a leading function. imho

    To put it simply, one needs to mature in order to determine type. And by that time, one could conclude, what's the point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wren View Post
    Ni and Fi are confusing to sort out if Ne is developed too. I'm not good on mbti and temperament but when I consider my own specialties, meaning what functions have served me in life, it has been those of intuition and feeling. Extraversion and introversion are also a measure of life events- environmental influences- which also compounds the issue and certainly will make the entire theory it rests upon seem like a can shot through with holes.
    that time, one could conclude, what's the point?
    Yes, I agree. Especially because as a child, I was forced into being in a slovenly mess by my parents. They love me, but my mother had a horrible hording habit. I wanted to have control at first (J), but eventually I just gave up because she would always stop me from cleaning or throwing things out (P). This, I reckon, would be environment, and thus a "learned" behavior.

    By the way, I'm not saying that all people with "P" in their type are like my mother. She is unhealthy.

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    I know I'm not alone among INFJs in identifying with INFPs as far as strong Fi, random bouts of depression/extreme emotion, and having a wild imagination that gets me into trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    The Ni that I experience is basically taking 2 pieces of information and drawing a conclusion from it. It feels like playing Sudoku, and it is often the first thing that happens when I am obtaining new information.
    That's Ne. My Ne and Ni are both high, so I'm good at distinguishing. My description of Ni is as a deep, dark ocean of unconscious ideas. When my Fi/Ne or Ne/Te gets blocked (depending on the nature of the problem), I cast a line into my Ni and turn my attention to something else. Every now and then I check the line to see if it's hooked an idea-fish yet; for a very important decision, I always wait until I've had a chance to sleep on it, but I usually hook the answer to a skipped problem on a standardized test before time is up.
    INFP ~ Fi/Ne/Ni/Te ~ 9-2-4 sp/so

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    I agree with Lauren Ashley. I don't think type really changes.

    The best reminder for me that I am not a J is when I spend some time with my INFJ friend. I can instantly sense there is a difference.

    I notice that I am constantly trying to sort of "soften" the hard exterior of my INFJ friends when I with them by trying to come to an agreement on something or making a joke; it is easy to catch myself yielding to them or in their favor when we are talking. They give off very intense vibes, and if I am lucky, I will make them smile or laugh. I feel the same way towards TP's. I hope they enjoy my spacey company; they are difficult to read.
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    It seems as though I am trying to separate myself from my parents by wanting to be an INFJ. What a sad day for my INFP self.

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