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    this is my winter song EJCC's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    I think we can find our dominant instinct by trying to stop thinking totally and see what worry or preocuaption arises the most quickly. For the 1 especially, I think they can find heir instinctual variant by seeing where their perfectionism os oriented the most spontaneously.
    When I try to stop thinking, the first things that come into my head aren't really related to interpersonal relationships or the environment. They're related to things like getting to class on time, studying enough so that I can get good grades and get a good job later in life, etc. When I try not to think about anything else, I think about my schedule. Does that make me Sp? I dunno, because I think I relate to the Soc stuff more, in text form. Either way, here's some more quote bolding because I can't think of any better method right now.

    SOCIAL

    :primary concern:
    building their sense of personal value, accomplishment, and a security of place with others via interaction with people in a broader sense (through family, group, subculture, mainstream culture, community, nation, world)

    :primary focus:
    the status, approval, and admirability of theirself and of others in the minds of any number of different groups; "subtle" power structures and politics; knowing what is going on in the world; a contextual intelligence that allows them to see both their efforts and their broader context in the world

    :primary ambition:
    interacting with people in ways that will build their personal value, their sense of accomplishment, and their security of place with others; to touch base with others to feel safe, alive, and energized; may include pursuit of attention, success, fame, recognition, honor, leadership, appreciation, and the security of being a part of something bigger than themselves

    :primary stresses:
    being able to adjust to others and be acceptable; others' reactions to them, whether they are being accepted or not; may include intimacy, which is tended to be avoided

    :coping methods: (unhealthy)
    antisocial behavior, detesting or resenting society at large, displaying poorly developed social skills, fear and distrust of society, resentfulness at having had to change to gain approval causes a stubbornness against doing what is necessary to get along with people, social resentment and avoidance as is skewed by the secondary instinct

    SELF-PRESERVATION

    :primary concern:
    physical safety, comfort, and well-being; securing an orderly and aesthetically pleasing way of life (food, clothing, money, housing, and physical health)

    :primary focus:
    security, comfort, and well-being of the environment (lighting, temperature, comfortable furniture, aesthetics, food quality)

    :primary ambition:
    using practicality and financial sense to create a secure environment in the home and workplace (paying bills, acquiring skills to ensure the orderly flow of life)

    :primary stresses:
    money, sustenance (how they will get food, when it will come, if they will like it, if it fits their diet)

    :coping methods: (unhealthy)
    over-stocking, overbuying, overeating, overpurging, oversleeping, undersleeping, overindulging in aesthetics or comfort foods, mistreatment of comfort and security as is skewed by the secondary instinct

    Does it help?
    Yeah, it does help, but at the same time it makes me more confused.

    What do you think, based on the info I gave?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    When I try to stop thinking, the first things that come into my head aren't really related to interpersonal relationships or the environment. They're related to things like getting to class on time, studying enough so that I can get good grades and get a good job later in life, etc. When I try not to think about anything else, I think about my schedule. Does that make me Sp?
    Maybe no, but that probably mean that you hav'nt Sp in last. When I try to stop thinking, I primary think about things wich make me feel some sort of intensity, and then "oh shit, I have to getting to class on time, to study enough, etc" Or even "oh, shit, there is shedules", lol.


    What do you think, based on the info I gave?
    I think you are more probably an So/Sp than an Sp/So, it was also how I felt it when I saw your video.. Well, the differences between the both can seem quite subtle and difficult to identify. Your dominant instinct is your main preocupation, and the supporting instinct is what you feel the most important to achieve in order to support your dominant instinct. me, for example, I'am an Sx/So and my primary preocupation is to find intensity in life or something who could complete me, but I also feel the need to maintain inclusion in the group in order to achieve it and I tend naturally to socialise and connect with the group/the whole world when I pursue my sexual instinct. Sx/Sp is weird, they are not concern or very a few by their inclusion in society in order to achieve their sexual needs, but are at the contrary very concern with security and what it need to be done according to the practical needs. So/Sx are above all worried about their position in the group and if they please the group, but their main modus operandi to achieve it is to be intense and have strong one-to-one social skills. At the contrary of Sx/So, they are usually less closed to people they interact with than they appear to be.

    Typical mindset:
    Sx/So:"If I can maintain position and inclusion in the group/world, I can keep up and escalate all this merging/intensity."
    Sx/Sp:"If I can make (us) have an orderly & pleasing lifestyle, I can keep up and escalate all this merging/intensity."
    So/Sx:"If I can get close to people with merging/intensity, I can make sure of and keep improving my position and inclusion in the group/world."

    So, if you are an So/Sp, your actual main precupation is to get inclusion in the group/world but you tend naturally to be concerned with security and practical needs because you think it's necessary to maintain you position in the group. If you are an Sp/So, your actual main preocupation is security, comfort, practical need etc, but you think it's necessary to get a social position to get that protection. So/Sp can be very involved in extending of their material health or improving of an orderly lifestyle, but they would'nt be so invested if there would'nt social gain in return. Sp/So can be very sociable but they are usually more detached and less involved in the group that they appears to be.

    Typical mindset:
    So/Sp:"If I can establish an orderly and pleasing lifestyle, I can make sure of and keep improving my position and inclusion in the group/world."
    Sp/So:"If I can maintain position and inclusion in the group/world, I can make sure of and keep my orderly and pleasing lifestyle." (May try to be just appealing and connected with groups enough for everyone to get out of their hair.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    So/Sp:"If I can establish an orderly and pleasing lifestyle, I can make sure of and keep improving my position and inclusion in the group/world."
    Oh my god!!! That resonates so much with me that it's insane. There is no doubt in my mind that I'm So/Sp.

    Thank you Speed Gavroche
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    Oh my god!!! That resonates so much with me that it's insane. There is no doubt in my mind that I'm So/Sp.

    Thank you Speed Gavroche
    Cool.

    Funny to see how descriptions can hit on peoples sometimes.

    So/Sp are often nicknamed "collected engage-er" because their involving in the group is reposed on a strong practical sense and reflective. A famous example of ESTJ So/Sp is Cordelia from BTVS/Angel, who gradually evolves from the superficiam popular chick to a driven do-gooder person, very collected and realistic who is the heart of the group.

    Whatever is an So/Sp too, maybe you could chat with her to see what you have in common (even if social 7 can be so anti-social).
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