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    Quote Originally Posted by Economica View Post
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    Any INTPs you'd compare yourself to on this score?



    I'd say it's the other way around: Extraordinary logic-consciousness doesn't necessarily make you a T.





    I think you were more on the money back when you identified with toonia in this post:
    But all the things I ascribed to Ni could be ascribed to Ne serving Ti as well. INTP still has Fe, and it would make sense to me that I pumped my Fe as a nurture response.

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    Don't worry so much about Ti vs Fe.

    Are you sure Ti is your leading function, and not Ni?

    Secondly, how is your Se? I'd hate to see someone think an Se type is excluded from intellectual matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    After some thought, I'm gonna go by INTP now, and I think my enneagram type is 9 not 5.

    Ne as a Ti slave I think looks like Ni for me.
    Just my 2 cents on a very typical INXJ behaviour... made up your mind and declined to talk about the process. But hey, I'm biased as heck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    But all the things I ascribed to Ni could be ascribed to Ne serving Ti as well. INTP still has Fe, and it would make sense to me that I pumped my Fe as a nurture response.
    I don't see why Ne serving Ti would ever look like Ni. Ne looks like Ne. Where's yours?

    I'm also skeptical that an INTP could grow as comfortable with and proficient at using Fe as you are to the point of regretting being unable to turn it down sometimes (I'm paraphrasing here from what I seem to remember from some of your posts; correct me if I'm mistaken), let alone one still in the first half of his twenties.

    So I still think your own explanation, which I quoted above, is much more likely.

    But if you insist which INTPs do you identify with? Also, how do you feel about the comparison with toonia?

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    INFJs who think they're INTPs are just so cute ^_^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Economica View Post
    I don't see why Ne serving Ti would ever look like Ni. Ne looks like Ne. Where's yours?
    Right there! (tossing out possibilities--"could be"s, for explanations).
    I'm also skeptical that an INTP could grow as comfortable with and proficient at using Fe as you are to the point of regretting being unable to turn it down sometimes (I'm paraphrasing here from what I seem to remember from some of your posts; correct me if I'm mistaken), let alone one still in the first half of his twenties.
    Was he comfortable, or was that a particular stressful situation? (I think he suggested it was). It seems whatever that was, it's not the side of him that usually comes out in all the type discussions. All I've noticed of him is pure logic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Economica View Post
    I don't see why Ne serving Ti would ever look like Ni. Ne looks like Ne. Where's yours?
    Ne could look like Ni if I only say the Ne stuff that's been Ti-razored.

    I'm also skeptical that an INTP could grow as comfortable with and proficient at using Fe as you are to the point of regretting being unable to turn it down sometimes (I'm paraphrasing here from what I seem to remember from some of your posts; correct me if I'm mistaken), let alone one still in the first half of his twenties.
    I'm not comfortable with Fe at all actually, although I am fairly proficient. Since it expresses itself a lot, I guess maybe it sounds like I'm comfortable with it?

    I regret being able to turn it down because it's annoying and gets in my way.

    So I still think your own explanation, which I quoted above, is much more likely.

    But if you insist which INTPs do you identify with? Also, how do you feel about the comparison with toonia?
    I identify with the thought process of all INTPs. I don't necessarily think I'm particularly normal psychologically, though, so I might not look exactly like the prototype.

    I also speak like an INTP, especially IRL; I'm fixated on internal consistency to the point that I'll waste a few sentences specifying myself perfectly whenever I make a point.

    I relate to lots of INFJs, but I don't think my thought processes really resembles theirs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    Ne could look like Ni if I only say the Ne stuff that's been Ti-razored.


    ... Why has no INTP gone at this yet?

    I'm not comfortable with Fe at all actually, although I am fairly proficient. Since it expresses itself a lot, I guess maybe it sounds like I'm comfortable with it?
    Poor choice of word. Replace with proficient/expresses itself a lot.

    I regret being able to turn it down because it's annoying and gets in my way.
    I presume you mean "I regret not being able to turn it down", in which case: My point exactly.

    I also speak like an INTP, especially IRL; I'm fixated on internal consistency to the point that I'll waste a few sentences specifying myself perfectly whenever I make a point.
    Going by your own statement that you use intellectualization as a defense mechanism, this doesn't seem far-fetched for an INFJ.

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    I'm guessing in INFJs that Fe is a support for Ni, in the same sense our Fi is a support for Ne. So Fe will be expressed in your decisions, but the goal is intuitive. Deep in your soul as an INFJ you want to learn, not save the world. You'll tell yourself otherwise, but you save the world to understand, or because you understand. You give to learn about human dynamics and support the understanding of self and social networks.

    What I think I'm saying is that a dominant intuitive is a scientist at heart, not a feeler. They love understanding relations between things. This may be even analogous to the ENFPs discussing having Ti. Dominant intuitives are thinkers! T is an approach to decision making or concluding a solution where rational logical perspective is taken over personal or social consequences. ie. reverence to logical consistency over effect. If you perceive links between things and understand things in your internal world, that is Ni. You have probably developed some Ti if you are INFJ, but it may be less than you think. In the same way that us ENFPs aren't Ts. I'm only just learning what to do with Te and I'm 27.

    I do notice your openness to and drive for logical analysis is higher than many INFJs though. So not positive you are one. Just know that being INFJ is no reason to not be a thinker. In fact the ones I know all consider themselves thinkers and philosophical. And all have good grades.

    p.s. I can't completely perceive my mirror type so are having a stab at it in places by analogy. Hopefully it gets it part way there, or enough for the message to get across though. I'd write the whole thing with more tentativeness, but it would make it a mess to read, so just correct me where I'm wrong.
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    reading this, i keep comming back to philosophically-oriented INFJs who fall in love with reason and logic and thus give themselves away as INFJs whereas INTPs are rarely seen eulogizing logic in this manner because, existing wholly inside this realm of abstract instinctual reason, they don't have the distance [to this realm] that is needed for such an adoring stance

    evan, i don't know you well enough at all, but as an INFJ-turned-INTP i think you should look into personalities such as wittgenstein; he certainly took care to showcase the extreme commitment to consistancy that you describe and did so to a point where many will consider him INTP. - only once you start enquiring into his personality it becomes apparent that fe could in no way play the part of his inferior function


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    Evan: Our disagreement is a limit of language, not understanding.

    In fact, this entire disagreement is due to the limits of language.
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