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    Default Socionics type: EII or LII

    I've been looking at Socionics, and one thing I know with certainty is that I'm not Beta, and others who've typed me usually come up with EII or LII, with approximately equal consistency. So I think it's likely I'm one of those two types.

    Normally I'd assume that since I'm INFJ in MBTI, I should be EII (INFj) in Socionics, especially since I'm clearly not IEI (INFp). But I've heard of people's Socionic L/E not matching up with their MBTI T/F, and I figured it was worth investigating.

    The main difference seems to come down to Role function and Base function:

    Quote Originally Posted by LII - Base Function
    The individual views reality through the lens of logic, immediately recognizing the correctness and appropriateness of things and their proper place in reality and in their system of views and behavior. They freely make logical assertions (often exaggerated) about new information and experience. They hold highest those rules to which exceptions do not exist, and are a habitual critic of people or things that don't follow a set of rules, whether they are those accepted by the community, their own, or even the other person's. Although they are able to adopt others' rules, their own are always the last word, and these are subject to continual refinement.
    Often seen as "demanding", due to high standards.
    Quote Originally Posted by LII - Role Function
    The individual recognizes the existence and importance of personal relationships, so they are usually cautious at first about offending others if they do not know them well. To minimize this risk they adhere somewhat simplistically to the relevant social conventions (e.g. political correctness). However, if taken too far this produces stress, as it inhibits their natural Logical inclination to voice exactly what their thoughts are on a given issue or situation, with the expectation that others will appreciate their straightforwardness, rather than accusing them of being insensitive. This caution gradually disappears as they get to know people better.
    They prefer to develop relationships indirectly with others based on open conversation and common activities, and only reveals their innermost personal feelings to those they have known for a long time. They may become confused and suspicious if they are directly solicited by others.
    Quote Originally Posted by EII - Base Function
    The individual sees reality primarity through static personal ethics and stable interpersonal bonds between individuals, including themselves, where the status of such interpersonal bonds is determined by their personal ethics. The individual is very confident in evaluating the ethical or moral qualities, and their consistency, of other people. This makes the individual seem "judgemental" or "self-righteous" to people less so inclined. If they have difficulty in deciding the status of a personal relationship, they will take action to try to reach a conclusion but if that continues to elude them, they will regard the relationship as not worth it. Their own sense of constancy in personal ethics and in their relationships with others is a very strong factor in their sense of self-worth. Ethics in this position implies the ability to almost instantly recognize whether someone is a friend or an enemy, whether they are demonstrating good will or ill will, and whether they are drawn to or repelled by the individual.
    Quote Originally Posted by EII - Role Function
    The individual is able to talk about things from a dispassionate academic or theoretical point of view for brief periods of time, but seems overly bookish when doing so and tends to grows tense. When feeling obliged to justify logically a personal decision taken for reasons determined by Ethics, the individual attempts to do so but grows quickly annoyed especially if the inconsistency in the logical argument is pointed out. He then either explains the ethical motivation or avoids the issue altogether.
    If you've observed my posting style over a long period of time, this may help as well:

    Vocabulary/Introverted ethics - Wikisocion

    Vocabulary/Introverted logic - Wikisocion

    Anyone familiar with Socionics, feel free to point out anything you feel I've overlooked. I haven't already dismissed all of the other factors (despite emphasizing these), but have provided this simplified framework so that those unfamiliar with the larger context will have a semi-reasonable basis for forming an opinion on the matter.

    In all likelihood, I'm just going to assume I'm EII in Socionics (despite a few inconsistencies that make me question it) and leave it at that for now if no one suggests otherwise.

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    Dont you think your problem could lay elsewhere, than in finding out your socionics type, if you couldnt identify with one of their types to at least 10% of satisfaction ?!

    I mean on Wikisonicon they write A LOT about types. And if you cant decide on one, but rather choose the best bits of them all, your problem definitly wont be solved by finding out your socionics type.
    [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEBvftJUwDw&t=0s[/URL]

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Dont you think your problem could lay elsewhere, than in finding out your socionics type, if you couldnt identify with one of their types to at least 10% of satisfaction ?!

    I mean on Wikisonicon they write A LOT about types. And if you cant decide on one, but rather choose the best bits of them all, your problem definitly wont be solved by finding out your socionics type.
    My "problem"? I was just curious what people would think. Please don't get angry with me.

    What do you think my problem is? I didn't mean to offend you or anything...

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    well nvm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    well nvm.
    O... kay.

    You had me curious what you thought my problem was, but... ah, well.

    Now I wish I hadn't started this thread. :blushing:

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    I'd suggest posing this question on a socionics board, there aren't many people here who rate socionics and even less who understand it.

    My belief is you should be the same time under both systems but should still independently investigate them in case you are mistyped under one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    I'd suggest posing this question on a socionics board, there aren't many people here who rate socionics and even less who understand it.
    I've done that, actually. That's how I narrowed it down to EII and LII. The problem is that the people on the other boards have no concept of my behavior over time, and only have one or two conversations to go on. So here, people know how I am, but don't get the system. There, people know the system, but don't know how I am. I was hoping that by simplifying the choice to be clearly between two relevant descriptions, I could get better feedback despite (or even because of) the respondent's ignorance of the context.

    But, considering how entropie reacted, I probably shouldn't have bothered with this.
    My belief is you should be the same time under both systems but should still independently investigate them in case you are mistyped under one.
    Okay, I'll go ahead and take that as confirmation of EII, then. Thanks.

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    I know the system, but don't know how you are.

    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    My "problem"? I was just curious what people would think. Please don't get angry with me.

    What do you think my problem is? I didn't mean to offend you or anything...
    This reaction reminds me exactly of a reaction of this person, who is universally regarded as EII, where this person thought I was venting my frustrations on them.

    Why are you "clearly not IEI"? Or you know with certainty that you're not Beta? What makes you think you value Ne/Si over Ni/Se?

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    Quote Originally Posted by snegledmaca View Post
    I know the system, but don't know how you are.
    Yes. It would appear so...

    This reaction reminds me exactly of a reaction of this person, who is universally regarded as EII, where this person thought I was venting my frustrations on them.
    Well, he did seem angry. He used an exclamation point and question mark, and presumed I had a problem I wasn't mentioning. So I was just trying to calm him down. I don't know what I did to offend him, but I must have done something.

    Why are you "clearly not IEI"? Or you know with certainty that you're not Beta? What makes you think you value Ne/Si over Ni/Se?
    Well, the thing is, I can relate to MBTI descriptions of Ni and Se to some degree, but not to Socionic descriptions of it. In Socionics, Ne is a better fit... I don't know why. And Socionic Se... yikes, it's all about power. It seems reinforced by my disagreement with Gamma and Beta quadra values compared to Alpha and Delta.

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    If you're interested in socionics at all, then join a socionics forum and post around. People there will type you without you even asking, and give reasonability with that. Even show off some pictures for VI purposes. Attending these forums will give you a basis for learning the importances of socionics, which in affect generates an understanding of type.

    Other than that, I'd love to help you. I'm already assuming that you think you're Se PoLR.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    My belief is you should be the same time under both systems but should still independently investigate them in case you are mistyped under one.
    That's less than often applicable.

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