Would I be J or P or neither?

[Kalach]

All the stuff in the OP sounds like me, and I'm a Jayster all the way.

And I definitely relate to the spending hours wasting time part.

 

[TheJimbo]

I get the feeling you're a J. I'd elaborate, but I'm tired as hell.

 

[INTJMom]

That means yr ISTJ.

It's very typical for ISTJs, moreso than any other type I've seen, to have a hard time "accepting" ISTJ because they identify with several types.

There is no such thing as "neither one".
You must prefer one over the other or you couldn't function.

Do you have a NEED to be cool or unique?

 

[NewEra]

thechosenone: Do you tend to read the directions for things or just jump in and figure it out yourself with little/no regard for standard procedure?

It depends. If I'm driving to somewhere I don't know, then yes I get directions before I leave. If I'm assembling something together, then no I don't use directions. I always like to figure it out how to assemble it first, and then if I can't, I would use the directions.

There is no such thing as "neither one".
You must prefer one over the other or you couldn't function.

Do you have a NEED to be cool or unique?

For the most part, no. But then again when a lot of people are doing the same thing, I generally dislike that thing or do something different. But in general, no.

 

[Nihilen]

Since you are that undecided about it, your P has got to be stronger.

O and, just take the functions' test. That would make it a lot easier.
Unless you enjoy more being questioned here -> P

 

[INTJMom]

It depends. If I'm driving to somewhere I don't know, then yes I get directions before I leave. If I'm assembling something together, then no I don't use directions. I always like to figure it out how to assemble it first, and then if I can't, I would use the directions.

For the most part, no. But then again when a lot of people are doing the same thing, I generally dislike that thing or do something different. But in general, no.

ISTPs generally have a NEED to be cool and/or unique in some way.

Jack Flak was right. You are mostly ISTJ.

 

[Jeffster]

But then again when a lot of people are doing the same thing, I generally dislike that thing or do something different. But in general, no.

ISTPs generally have a NEED to be cool and/or unique in some way.

Jack Flak was right. You are mostly ISTJ.

You might want to read that again, Mom. He says "No" but then says "yes" in all of the details of his post.

Virtually everything he's posted in this topic sounds SP. Some people act like SPs can't function at work or something. Like we can only get jobs as professional stuntmen or drug dealers or something. I'll have you know I have an office job and right now am hard at work....posting on an internet forum.

Crap.

 

[Cimarron]

This isn't directly a J vs. P thing, but for ISTJ vs. ISTP by using the 8-function system. I'm not sure how much stock to put into this, but it's an interesting piece to read. Think of your childhood behavior, mid- to late-elementary school. Here are descriptions:
Portrait of an ISJ Child
Portrait of an ITP Child

 

[NewEra]

This isn't directly a J vs. P thing, but for ISTJ vs. ISTP by using the 8-function system. I'm not sure how much stock to put into this, but it's an interesting piece to read. Think of your childhood behavior, mid- to late-elementary school. Here are descriptions:
Portrait of an ISJ Child
Portrait of an ITP Child

If I look at those, I was more of an ITP Child. Actually the ones that most fit me (as a kid) would be ETJ and ESP together, then ITP, then ISJ. As a kid, I was loud and always got into trouble, but that was when I was a kid.

 

[Cimarron]

Did you read the detailed descriptions, instead of just the numbered lists? The descriptions cover things that the lists do not.

 

[NewEra]

Did you read the detailed descriptions, instead of just the numbered lists? The descriptions cover things that the lists do not.

Yeah, the ITP description, especially the "Learning Style" category fit my childhood experience quite well.

 

[527468]

Let's just say you're an ISTJ because there aren't that many around here and I like to know that my sensing type is down with the net.

 

[INTJMom]

You might want to read that again, Mom. He says "No" but then says "yes" in all of the details of his post.

Virtually everything he's posted in this topic sounds SP. Some people act like SPs can't function at work or something. Like we can only get jobs as professional stuntmen or drug dealers or something. I'll have you know I have an office job and right now am hard at work....posting on an internet forum.

Crap.

Jack Flak is hardly ever wrong...
I mean I assume he is wrong sometimes,
but I am unaware of it happening.

 

[INTJMom]

Yeah, the ITP description, especially the "Learning Style" category fit my childhood experience quite well.

I just finished reading that, and I don't think that section was specific enough to make a determination on type.

 

[raz]

I had this same problem when I first started figuring out my type. I thought I was INTJ at first, then INTP, then ISTP, and I finally landed on ISTJ. I had a hard time believing my J because I'm not a neat freak or anything. I rarely clean unless things start getting out of hand. The J is all about how you handle your external life, anyway. Like, for instance, one way you can tell a J or P is how someone dresses. A P is going to care about their clothing, but won't care much about having a pulled together coordinated look. A J will want everything in place in their outfit, everything to match, and will have an organized look to them.

How you handle the outside world and how you handle yourself are two different cognitive processes. With an ISTP, you approach the outside world with Extraverted Sensing, meaning you're looking to adapt yourself to the external world. You then use Introverted Thinking to maintain yourself, so you use an internal set of logical rules and take things apart in your head.

An ISTJ uses Extraverted Thinking for the outside world, meaning they deal with it impersonally and objectively. They want it to be structured and task oriented. ISTJs use Introverted Sensing for dealing with themselves, meaning they focus on having a vast memory of facts and details, without even realizing it. Introverted Sensing is about having your own set of personal experiences and expectations, also. People who use Introverted Sensing, instead of adapting themselves to the outside world like Extraverted Sensing, adapt the outside world to their own set of rules.

The cognitive processes aren't THAT reliable, though, in terms of how rigid they are in usage. The truth in their definitions is reliable. People use all 8 of them, just some more effectively than the others.

 

[NewEra]

All this stuff is definitely helping me. If I were to rate my cognitive functions, I would say it's like this...

Ti - Very High
Fi - High
Te - High
Ne - Medium
Si - Medium
Se - Low
Fe - Very Low
Ni - Very Low

 

[booyalab]

Are you more like Joe Friday or Dirty Harry?

 

[GargoylesLegacy]

From what I see you really have parts of both, J and P. But the P wins with 1 or 2 points more. From what you have described it is like 60:40 for P.
But I think you are right with your statement (J when working, P when not).

 

[NewEra]

But I think you are right with your statement (J when working, P when not).

Yeah, agreed.

Are you more like Joe Friday or Dirty Harry?

I don't know either of them well enough lol.

 

[527468]

All this stuff is definitely helping me. If I were to rate my cognitive functions, I would say it's like this...

Ti - Very High
Fi - High
Te - High
Ne - Medium
Si - Medium
Se - Low
Fe - Very Low
Ni - Very Low

I equated your functions and your results came out as a clear ISTP.

I'd say (by my own scale, 100% being rare):

I 40%
S 10%
T 40%
P 40%

If you are quite sure about this function ranking, then you are most definitely an ISTP.