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    My editor-friends have said as much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Funny case in point:

    One of the most enjoyable fiction books I've ever read was "Dark Tower IV: Wizard and Glass" by Stephen King.

    One of the most tedious, god-awful, interminable fiction books I've ever read was "Dark Tower V: Wolves of the Callah" by Stephen King. [I only finished it so I could get to books 6 and 7, otherwise it was fit for a public execution.]
    Oh boy!
    I am a huge fan of the series!
    I read part three and four within a month after release!
    I have yet to read part five!
    I am filled with excitement!
    A strange anxiety-drenched sarcastic excitement!
    I didn't know an emotion could be sarcastic!

    I feel cold now...

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    I think you used your exclamation point quota for the day, Ashi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashi, K? View Post
    Oh boy!
    I am a huge fan of the series!
    I read part three and four within a month after release!
    I have yet to read part five!
    I am filled with excitement!
    A strange anxiety-drenched sarcastic excitement!
    I didn't know an emotion could be sarcastic!
    I feel cold now...
    Books 1-4 were increasingly good. (I think Drawing of the Three was superb and original.)

    Then there was a lull, and eventually Book 5 came out. If I can bring myself to skim through it, maybe I can just give you a synopsis and you can skip straight to Book #6, no harm done.

    Book #6 was definitely better.

    Book #7 was really good (the whole Mordred subplot still haunts me.... ugh...) until about mid-way through, then just sort of slowly dwindled towards an anti-climactic conclusion... but then occurred the Perfect Ending (in terms of logic, though perhaps not in terms of emotional satisfaction). You'll either love it or hate it. I loved it, other people hated it. I just don't know what else the ending would have been, it seems obvious when you look back at the whole story.

    Quote Originally Posted by Natrushka View Post
    I think you used your exclamation point quota for the day, Ashi.
    Mmmm hmmm. Used up the FORUM's daily quota, I'm thinking, too...
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    Book 7 made me sooo angry <sigh> Oy. Oy.

    I think I'll reread The Stand this summer. Thanks, Jen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natrushka View Post
    Book 7 made me sooo angry <sigh> Oy. Oy.
    Sniff. But that's what made it so good. It broke my heart.

    I think I'll reread The Stand this summer. Thanks, Jen.
    I need to dig that back out.

    He's a funny author. I either love or hate his books. He seemed to hit far more out of the park when younger. Most of his recent stuff...? Meh.

    But I will still go back and reread my favorites.
    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

    “Pleasure to me is wonder—the unexplored, the unexpected, the thing that is hidden and the changeless thing that lurks behind superficial mutability. To trace the remote in the immediate; the eternal in the ephemeral; the past in the present; the infinite in the finite; these are to me the springs of delight and beauty.” ~ H.P. Lovecraft

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    That was easily as many as I had used during the previous month, so sure, no problem.

    As far as King goes, I don't know. Maybe it is just too hard to say "no" to him now.
    It is a strange thing for me as he is the reason I initial became interested in writing, specifically him describing the process of writing the first Dark Tower novel.
    My largely uninformed observations suggest that he isn't really following his own "rules".

    Hmm, maybe I should also re-read The Stand.
    I haven't since the first time, when I was ten.

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    Do as I say, and buy my books, not as I do

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    I long ago started calling overly-stuffed books "roach whackers."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashi, K? View Post
    As far as King goes, I don't know. Maybe it is just too hard to say "no" to him now.
    I found it hard through the mid-90's... now it's hard for me to get through anything "new" he writes. Most of it looks like a decline to me -- someone who writes because they don't know how to do anything else well, but doesn't have a lot of new things to say at the moment.

    It is a strange thing for me as he is the reason I initial became interested in writing, specifically him describing the process of writing the first Dark Tower novel.
    That was almost more interesting than much of the stories he's written.

    He also crystallized the typical "P" approach to writing for me -- that it's less about creating the story and more about excavating it, like the alien ship in Tommyknockers.

    As far as his not following his own rules, well, I think writing can partially be learned; it's very much a craft in some ways; but there's also a "spark" of something in there that cannot really be taught, either you have it or you do not.

    And there's no shame in not having it, but it's hard to relay to others what that "spark" is -- those who have it don't need to be told about it (except maybe to recognize it), those who don't have it won't really understand it enough to get it.

    So he teaches the craft part of his skills, but in his own writing is often scripting from the "gut" spark, going with his instincts.
    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

    “Pleasure to me is wonder—the unexplored, the unexpected, the thing that is hidden and the changeless thing that lurks behind superficial mutability. To trace the remote in the immediate; the eternal in the ephemeral; the past in the present; the infinite in the finite; these are to me the springs of delight and beauty.” ~ H.P. Lovecraft

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