Hey all, I just registered and thought I'd introduce myself. I'm a pretty typical INTP. First and foremost I consider myself an (analytic) philosopher. Truth is probably the thing I most value. Being a philosopher, though, I realize how elusive it is. With so many of our "obvious" beliefs being problematic, I often get annoyed when the more . . . vocal people claim to "know" even more dubious things. I especially get annoyed with fundamental religious people. How can one claim to know God exists when I don't even "know" if there is an external world, if I am the same "person" now as I was in the past, or hell what knowledge even is?
I don’t want to stir up shit, but there is one thing I have to vent about. That is the attitude that some people seem to have that truth is subjective, and logic doesn’t apply to them. Just because something makes you feel bad, doesn’t mean it’s not true, and just because everyone has a right to their opinion, it doesn’t mean that everyone’s opinion is right. If you say that 2+2=5, or the world is flat you can’t justly criticize me for acting intellectually superior, or being arrogant, or “trying to tell you how to think” when I say you’re wrong. The truth is the truth. I’m either trying to help you out, or have a discussion. Socrates pissed a good many people off, but that wasn't his aim.
Ugh, this turned out more negative than I wanted, but it feels good to get it out. Thanks for listening to my rants.
Hello, Ditz (rather ironic name for you?). Welcome to MBTI Central. Feel free to ask any questions you may have about MBTI or general psychology.
I understand what you mean... other people appear so certain of things that they don't even comprehend. I'm pretty sure that I exist in some form, but I'm not sure that anything I perceive is real. I usually get around this by deciding that if I make certain assumptions (like my sense experience or scientific understanding of certain phenomena being valid), certain things can be concluded within the context of the information assumed to be true, and what is assumed to be valuable. If you don't emotionally decide certain things to be desirable or undesirable, situations merely exist or do not exist, and one outcome or situation is not inherently better than any other. Logic can be quite a vacuum. Truth itself may not be relative, but it may be that our understanding of it can only be relative because human minds aren't sufficiently complex to grasp pure truth.
This is an INFJ's perspective, though, so I don't know how you see the process of decision/understanding with a dominant Ti.
I definitely agree with you that it's arrogant for people to assert that something is true as if they knew it for certain, when they clearly don't and can't know that.