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    • ENFP talks about how they lie and deceive others
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    I thought this was going to be edgy, but I was pleasantly surprised.
    "Avoid getting too preoccupied thinking about what you’re going to do, to actually do it."
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    The point about deception was really accurate. I like to have the illusion of being an open book, but I'm realizing I'm a very secretive person. Especially in regards to my past experiences. Good video.

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    Oh, okay. He is describing a higher standard of truth telling than a lot of people even care about, so it makes more sense to me. I've thought ENFPs and ESFPs are some of the more transparent, authentic people who don't say the opposite of what they mean like a lot of people. At least the ones I've encountered are very genuine.
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    Default Video: ENFPs lie

    Yes, I can relate to this too. A lie of omission is still a lie. I suppose someone thought of that when they made up the legal swearing in to be "Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?"

    There are also social lies I tell and since I know I'm not really telling the truth, am disturbed by that. I know intellectually that they have a purpose, and even agree with their utility, but inside I know that they're not really what I think and that a part of me feels some betrayal, almost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    A lie of omission is still a lie. I suppose someone thought of that when they made up the legal swearing in to be "Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?"
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    Here's a question about lying by omission.
    What if something really horrible happened to you or a loved one, you feel incapacitated by it, you need the day off work to address the issue. If you tell your employer everything, then you are betraying the confidence of someone you love. I tend to feel it is okay to omit information when the person to whom I am conveying some information is not entitled to know all of it. I don't think everyone is entitled to know everything all the time.

    Lying by omission is a problem when the other person is entitled to know the whole truth. If someone has been having lunch dates with an ex, but omits that information to their spouse because the spouse will be hurt by it or ask them to stop, then that is quite different from the first scenario.

    I think the level of intimacy shared by the different people involved with the information is an important factor. In the first case, the employer does not have an intimate trusted relationship, but the harmed friend does. In the second scenario the spouse is the intimate partner and the ex is the more superficial friend by comparison. I think we owe more complete truth to the people with whom we share more intimate bonds, but the less personal connection that exists, the less entitled the person is to the whole truth. What do you think?
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    Didnt listen, but from my experience...enfps lie to themselves which causes them to "lie" to others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labyrinthine View Post
    Here's a question about lying by omission.
    What if something really horrible happened to you or a loved one, you feel incapacitated by it, you need the day off work to address the issue. If you tell your employer everything, then you are betraying the confidence of someone you love. I tend to feel it is okay to omit information when the person to whom I am conveying some information is not entitled to know all of it. I don't think everyone is entitled to know everything all the time.

    Lying by omission is a problem when the other person is entitled to know the whole truth. If someone has been having lunch dates with an ex, but omits that information to their spouse because the spouse will be hurt by it or ask them to stop, then that is quite different from the first scenario.

    I think the level of intimacy shared by the different people involved with the information is an important factor. In the first case, the employer does not have an intimate trusted relationship, but the harmed friend does. In the second scenario the spouse is the intimate partner and the ex is the more superficial friend by comparison. I think we owe more complete truth to the people with whom we share more intimate bonds, but the less personal connection that exists, the less entitled the person is to the whole truth. What do you think?
    A lie of omission is when you go to buy a house, you ask if it has any problems and the seller tells you " Oh yeah the house is fine." neglecting to tell you that the garage is a death trap due to faulty wiring.

    I was going to elaborate but you pretty much covered it. People often accuse me of being "vague" when I talk about my personal life in everyday conversation. In that context, I don't understand why I have to explain to them that yes I am because I do not want them to know and I am under no obligation to tell them.
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    My whole life I have always gotten in trouble for not lying and withholding the truth. I've had friends and family beg me "you need to learn how to lie." <-Under certain conditions though I'm a highly effective liar. I'm really, really good at lying to authority figures I have no respect for if I feel it is good/right or I'm protecting someone I know to be good/right...if it's a one time gig (like I don't have to continue lying over a period of time and by that I mean...remember what I have said.) Anything outside of that will cause me physical aches and pains...I'll feel creepy about it if I do. But even without those physical aliments...I just don't see the point. I only want to be loved and/or rejected for me. I just think if I'm lying I'm going to be attracting and repelling the wrong people.
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