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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana View Post
    I was just wondering what it was about my post that prompted your response.

    I do think that's a valuable realization for a lot of people to have. Improving external circumstances to make them fit just "right" isn't necessarily going to make them feel contented. The feeling of something always being wrong is so internal and ingrained, sometimes. It's easy to overcompensate in the other direction though and accept that everything is all right and is going to work out just fine when it's just an easy way to avoid confronting genuine issues.

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    Isn't laziness and procrastination more or less a xxxP thing in general? Meaning we can be organized and punctual but it usually takes a lot more work for us than our J counterparts.

    I'll take a snapshot of my cubicle some time to illustrate this point.

    Not to say the video wasn't right about ENFPs, for the most part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starcrash View Post
    Isn't laziness and procrastination more or less a xxxP thing in general? Meaning we can be organized and punctual but it usually takes a lot more work for us than our J counterparts.
    I think it's not as type-related as people make it out to be. I know an INFJ (family friend) who procrastinates to the last possible minute - it irritated his mom for years up until this year when he left for college. His older ISTJ brother on the other hand finishes everything like days or weeks in advance. The only types I've known to be organized by nature are EJ types. And even then I know some of those type who procrastinate - I think it's just that they're more aware of how they could be using their time efficiently so it bothers them more.

    Ps are probably known for putting things off more because we like going with the flow and moving without answering to a schedule. And P types probably do procrastinate more than Js on average.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chanaynay View Post
    I think it's not as type-related as people make it out to be. I know an INFJ (family friend) who procrastinates to the last possible minute - it irritated his mom for years up until this year when he left for college. His older ISTJ brother on the other hand finishes everything like days or weeks in advance. The only types I've known to be organized by nature are EJ types. And even then I know some of those type who procrastinate - I think it's just that they're more aware of how they could be using their time efficiently so it bothers them more.

    Ps are probably known for putting things off more because we like going with the flow and moving without answering to a schedule. And P types probably do procrastinate more than Js on average.
    In my case, I used to put off school work (term papers, etc) until the last possible minute, but I felt I actually got better results then if I finished something in advance. Perhaps the sense of urgency and anxiety over getting it done at the last minute actually contributed to better work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starcrash View Post
    In my case, I used to put off school work (term papers, etc) until the last possible minute, but I felt I actually got better results then if I finished something in advance. Perhaps the sense of urgency and anxiety over getting it done at the last minute actually contributed to better work.
    I tell myself this, too. I'm very prolific under pressure. Urgency is an excellent motivator.

    As to whether or not it's better work -- well, finished work is better than unfinished work, so yes, but I have never actually done anything on time, so I can't vouch 100% for the fact that it would be worse than work completed in a hurry.

    If I'm completely honest with myself, I do think it might be better ... but until the day comes when I choose doing things on time instead of putting them off till the last minute and then completing it them in a panicked coffee-fueled rush ... I'll never know. Haha.
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    Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... so I don't get the vibe this chick is an actual ENFP. And I'm feeling a little weird about posting this amidst all this meaningful discussion. But because I actually am an ENFP I was kinda having that strange feeling like I was lying by not saying this haha.

    I make allowance for a wide variety of expressions for each type and yet something's not jiving here. I almost want to say she is a high Ne using ESTJ but I really don't know.

    sorry guys ha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chanaynay View Post
    I think it's not as type-related as people make it out to be. I know an INFJ (family friend) who procrastinates to the last possible minute - it irritated his mom for years up until this year when he left for college. His older ISTJ brother on the other hand finishes everything like days or weeks in advance. The only types I've known to be organized by nature are EJ types. And even then I know some of those type who procrastinate - I think it's just that they're more aware of how they could be using their time efficiently so it bothers them more.
    When I was younger, I procrastinated on my obligations when they had nothing to do with what I cared about or identified with (unfortunately, considering my aptitudes, that disparity between what activities are meaningful to me and which actually keep me alive and the rent paid may always be there to one degree or another), but never dared actually complete something late, no matter how much caffeine it took to meet the deadline in the end. Also, depression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starry View Post
    Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... so I don't get the vibe this chick is an actual ENFP. And I'm feeling a little weird about posting this amidst all this meaningful discussion. But because I actually am an ENFP I was kinda having that strange feeling like I was lying by not saying this haha.

    I make allowance for a wide variety of expressions for each type and yet something's not jiving here. I almost want to say she is a high Ne using ESTJ but I really don't know.

    sorry guys ha.
    i don't think it takes away from the discussion or what she's saying by you saying that. but yeah she does seem ESxJish to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nixie View Post
    When I was younger, I procrastinated on my obligations when they had nothing to do with what I cared about or identified with (unfortunately, considering my aptitudes, that disparity between what activities are meaningful to me and which actually keep me alive and the rent paid may always be there to one degree or another), but never dared actually complete something late, no matter how much caffeine it took to meet the deadline in the end. Also, depression.
    hmm, i was kinda like that too though. but the difference between me and what you bolded in that quote are that i shrugged off how more organized everything could be and just sort of went for it. i don't like handing in things late because i know it gives takes away even more of time i could be spending doing whatever. but what i used to do in high school (which doesnt fly in college now) is fake being sick so i had an excuse not to finish it until even later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chanaynay View Post
    I think it's not as type-related as people make it out to be. I know an INFJ (family friend) who procrastinates to the last possible minute - it irritated his mom for years up until this year when he left for college. His older ISTJ brother on the other hand finishes everything like days or weeks in advance. The only types I've known to be organized by nature are EJ types. And even then I know some of those type who procrastinate - I think it's just that they're more aware of how they could be using their time efficiently so it bothers them more.

    Ps are probably known for putting things off more because we like going with the flow and moving without answering to a schedule. And P types probably do procrastinate more than Js on average.
    This is a good point, I think I would say I am one of those procrastinating EJ types. I think it can often have something to do with the development of the secondary function and I tend to subscribe to Lenore Thompson's view of it.

    The suggestion being that a person has to consciously engage with the world in a way that develops that second function and more importantly; learn how to train it on either perception or judgement of themselves. This grants a stability and introspection to a person.
    However I think it's important to note the difference with regards to the procrastination of, let's say, an ENFP and an ESFJ.

    Fi in an ENFP will help them examine what they really value and how they stand amongst that value, along with picking out the Ne notions more in line with meeting those values. However this probably won't stop procrastination which, as you pointed out, is more natural to P types, in this case Ne is a big factor in that natural.

    With ESFJs Si brings the structure and security of the familiar and comfortable, allowing them to better organise themselves and makes their judgement more discerning and less arbitrary. It does of course depend on what those sensory impressions were, but generally speaking they induce a drive to pull structure into an environment by bringing things in line with those impressions.

    Fe > Ne without that structure is a flighty nightmare of jumping from group to group for attention and changing moods, which is also lacking a grounding element towards some form of reality.
    This can result in an ESFJ looking superficially like an ExFP type at first glance.
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