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    Default Borderline Type's Are A Myth

    This is a very good explanation of why "borderline" type doesn't work.


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    Thanks for sharing and I agree that it is a good explanation of why borderline doesn't work.
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    Jung also mentioned that the type is nothing static and changes with the course of life.

    He could have just been talking about how an individual type develops, or how a person might even switch type altogether. But it's open to interpretation.

    She makes a good point though, although these theories tend to largely be about convincing people with good points.... I'm not sure myself, it's almost as if someone could just make this stuff up.
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    I need to do one of those Skype sessions with her. Or somebody.

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    I respectfully disagree with the OP. There's no empirical evidence for type dynamics or that the preferences are dichotomous (despite many studies trying to find evidence). If you look at the data, people's preference seem pretty bell-curvy, which I think partially explains some people's difficulty in typing. See Reynierse, Wilde, etc. Also see the introversion/extraversion continuum, which includes physically measurable difference between introverts and extraverts that do, in fact, seem to exist on a continuum (see, for example, the lemon test).

    I also think claiming that a middling preference score means "you don't really know yourself" is shaky ground, at best. I agree that people not knowing themselves is a confounding factor when typing, but it's hardly the only thing that might result in a middling preference score.

    Her acorn/tree references also seem to indicate that type is entirely inborn, while most studies seem to indicate a 40% to 60% nature/nuture balance. I personally believe that type is mostly set by early adolescence, but that's more a personal theory, rather than being proven.

    Regardless, I think type dynamics are an interesting concept and it's good for people to understand the model, whether they agree or not. I think the "functions" are a good way for people to hone in on their likely type, even if I think the functions mostly represent preference combination.

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    I heard a lot of conceptualizations in that video (for example, the comparison to the oak seed -> oak tree), but no actual proof that that's the way it is. I think she is describing more the suppositions of MBTI from her particular perspective than any actual kind of certainty about how personality in general works.

    I happen to agree with some of her ideas, though, such as how the number ratings of dichotomous test is just describing consistency of preference and not strength of preference.
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    Absolutely terrible.

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    I wanted her to disprove borderline personality types because they disturb the way I view functional stacks. But, like Jennifer said, it didn't prove anything. It was just theorizing on why they're a myth. IMO, it would've improved the video if she would've presented it that way.

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    It depends on which part of the dichotomies we're talking.

    On the middle two letters, I agree, there is no borderline type - it's one or the other.

    On the first letter, tho - introversion vs extroversion - there can definitely be borderline types.

    On the last letter - J vs P - that is the most complicated, because with development of your 3rd thru 6th functions, you do actually develop toward the other side. Most people that put INTx, or what not, however, are not referring to this, and, rather, simply don't know what type they really are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    It depends on which part of the dichotomies we're talking.

    On the middle two letters, I agree, there is no borderline type - it's one or the other.

    On the first letter, tho - introversion vs extroversion - there can definitely be borderline types.

    On the last letter - J vs P - that is the most complicated, because with development of your 3rd thru 6th functions, you do actually develop toward the other side. Most people that put INTx, or what not, however, are not referring to this, and, rather, simply don't know what type they really are.
    This makes sense. Borderline S/N and T/F preferences are more difficult to understand.

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