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    This video on Inferior Se is interesting.

    Do other INTJs do the things described? I also liked the part about how you fabricate a story about why/how you messed up. I used to do that.

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    I am nearly positive I am ISTP and I have these problems. I would question the veracity of these thoughts, though perhaps I underestimate my abilities.


    Also, I think she is ENFP. Has that been postulated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by superunknown View Post
    Also, I think she is ENFP. Has that been postulated?
    I don't think so. I have had the same thoughts on some INFJs seem to act like ENFPs.

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    I hate to say it, but I think having inferior Se basically means you are a nerd. You're boring. You're dry. You aren't any fun. You don't really have an edge. No flare.

    Ya know. Stuff like that. I mean, that is really blunt, but I honestly don't know how to put it nicely. INJs have their good qualities and are fine people, but those are their downfalls. Every type has them equally. Having inferior Pe kinda makes you "the straight guy" who isn't any fun, too serious all the time. Whatevs. I have inferior Je and that basically makes me a self centered asshole who everyone hates 'cause he's not a team player. Fuck life.

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    This is very silly. All it's doing is reinforcing the same tired stereotypes about Ns being spacy, forgetful types who don't live in the real world. It's just got a more sophisticated vocabulary with all the function talk and shadow processes and aspirational inferior stuff.

    Rationalizing why you messed up is not type-related. Nor is being inattentive and forgetful, not really.

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    I'm fascinated that she always wears camisole-type tops in her videos ... wear something professional, you harlot!

    Seems to be indicative of inferior Se right there ...
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    @highlander - Perhaps. You can see the disparity between the two, him and her. I can only presume the investment of hers into the subject gives rise to her energy being all over the place in this manner. My brother, unprovoked of opinion, said she seems a caricature soccer mom, for what that's worth.


    Back to the OP. Here are some excerpts from a piece written by Jung, first on introverted intuitives:

    "As a rule, the intuitive stops at perception; perception is his principal problem...the crank contents himself with the intuition by which he himself is shaped and determined."
    "The introverted intuitive's chief repression falls upon the sensation of the object...For we find in his unconscious a compensatory extraverted sensation function of an archaic character. The unconscious personality may, therefore, best be described as an extraverted sensation-type of a rather low and primitive order."

    And some excerpts on extraverted sensors:

    "No other human type can equal the extraverted sensation-type in realism. His sense for objective facts is extraordinarily developed... His ideal is the actual; in this respect he is considerate. He has no ideals related to ideas -- he has, therefore, no sort of ground for maintaining a hostile attitude towards the reality of things and facts."
    "In reality, however, this is by no means the case, since they are equally subject to the sensation of irrational, chance happenings, as they are to rational behaviour."

    Regarding the principle characteristics of the two types, we can discover the idiosyncrasies for one who values extraverted sensation versus one who values introverted intuition:

    Introverted intuitives grow vested as subjective ideologues. They find external confirmation to their beliefs to be troubling, they merely require they themselves can see the connections behind their sensory experience and this is self-satisfactory. Extraverted sensors, however, grow incorrect about their approaches simply through a lack of objective experience - they are highly open to future paths of existence. Unlike the introverted intuitive, postulation beyond what can be confirmed is preserved merely as speculation, preferring not to become seated down restrictive avenues of thought. This is what chiefly separates Ne/Se and Ni/Si in the dominant and auxiliary positions - Ne and Se are constantly feeling for holes in the tapestry, while Ni and Si are uncomfortable bringing the blanket down from the attic to begin with.

    Resultant of these facts, you have the Ni-user who is nearly held captive by their perceptions and highly critical of outlying information, while the Se-user intellectually floats freely among ideas and concepts, interchanging blocks of thought near effortlessly at the sight of new information. It is why ENTP's are known as far seeing visionaries while INTJ's are known as contingency planning masterminds - ENTP's are looking forward for new information while INTJ's are looking to guard their flanks. There is this quote:

    "Intensification of intuition naturally often results in an extraordinary aloofness of the individual from tangible reality; he may even become a complete enigma to his own immediate circle."
    I believe people take it to mean the detachment described in the video, but I find this assertion incorrect. It is again describing the general disconnect from fact and reason intuitors experience when intuition is largely preferred over sensation.

    This is what it means to be Se-inferior, not the general aloofness presented in this video. By extension, Se does not equate to being "in the moment", or a form of spidey-sense, or all that other junk typically associated with it.


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    It's actually interesting, I relate somewhat to her husband's explanation of his inferior sensing. Though I am not an Ni dominant....and I thank the variables that made it so I wasn't one. Also one could debate on the accuracy of their definition of Se.

    Still find her annoying beyond rational belief. I'd rather listen to him give typology advice and information than her, she always seems to be bordering between mild arrogance and just blatant bombastism, (I made that word up but it's meaning should be obvious). Compared to her husband she also comes across as very loud and interrupting in this video.

    Maybe more criticism of her isn't entirely relevant but the OP has the lines:
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    I know I know, it's a personal dislike and I'll try to stop going on about it. One more thing.....comment approval system....says it all really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zago View Post
    I hate to say it, but I think having inferior Se basically means you are a nerd. You're boring. You're dry. You aren't any fun. You don't really have an edge. No flare.
    Those are funny comments coming from an INTP

    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    I'm fascinated that she always wears camisole-type tops in her videos ... wear something professional, you harlot!

    Seems to be indicative of inferior Se right there ...
    Maybe you're right about that. I think they look good but then I'm a guy...

    Quote Originally Posted by superunknown View Post

    Resultant of these facts, you have the Ni-user who is nearly held captive by their perceptions and highly critical of outlying information, while the Se-user intellectually floats freely among ideas and concepts, interchanging blocks of thought near effortlessly at the sight of new information. It is why ENTP's are known as far seeing visionaries while INTJ's are known as contingency planning masterminds - ENTP's are looking forward for new information while INTJ's are looking to guard their flanks. There is this quote:
    Interesting comments overall. I actually don't think the characterization of INTJs vs. ENTPs is correct. Ni looks further in the future than Ne. I think ENTPs are better at picking up emerging trends and gain their visionary reputation from calling these things correctly. The INTJ looks much further into the future. What they anticipate may not happen for 20, 30, 50 or 100 years. It is true that INTJs tend to be good contingency planners. They have a knack for anticipating what is going to go wrong. It's a Te type that uses the Ni to foresee these likely scenarios of things getting derailed and upsetting plans which they have.

    Quote Originally Posted by superunknown View Post
    I believe people take it to mean the detachment described in the video, but I find this assertion incorrect. It is again describing the general disconnect from fact and reason intuitors experience when intuition is largely preferred over sensation.

    This is what it means to be Se-inferior, not the general aloofness presented in this video. By extension, Se does not equate to being "in the moment", or a form of spidey-sense, or all that other junk typically associated with it.
    No, it's different than that. It has to do with having a poor awareness of the environment. I can think of a few examples. I lose my keys or my wallet often. It's especially bad when I'm in a hurry - I get flustered and angry at myself. There is an overreaction to this mistake. Another example is where I have my facts wrong. I probably am more embarrassed than other people are. When I was in college, my roommate put a 5 foot plant in our room and asked me what was different. For the life of me, I couldn't figure it out till he pointed it out to me. On numerous occasions, I have missed the exit off the expressway to my house because I was in that zone thinking about something. There have been cases where I've driven miles further than I should and then noticed the scenery was different than what I was used to. I often put on my GPS so I don't make these kinds of mistakes even when I know where I am going. Those are inferior Se type things.

    Effective Se is about being immersed in the current moment, the current experience, acting in the physical world, and using the information currently gathered to do something with it now (or next).

    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    Compared to her husband she also comes across as very loud and interrupting in this video.
    What I was cringing about at points was that she kept bringing up the criticism that he made a mistake. He doesn't need to be reminded of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    I don't think so. I have had the same thoughts on some INFJs seem to act like ENFPs.
    Agreed. She is INFJ, she has Ni-dom eyes. To me, she just puts on an affect to reflect her deliberate inner construct and persona.
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