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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    Just to be contrary with all this Vicky Jo bashing, I started looking at more of her stuff. This video on Inferior Se is interesting.

    Do other INTJs do the things described? I also liked the part about how you fabricate a story about why/how you messed up. I used to do that.

    The ‘overconfidence’ spiel at [4:56] is maybe more Te. I sometimes seriously underestimate how long it will take me to do something, but rarely ever overestimate my ability to do things.

    And this tangent she keeps going on, about how seeing inferior Se in her husband was driving her nuts because he was “reflecting her inferior processes”…..that’s seems really weird to me. If someone has the same inferior processes- that’s when I’m actually most understanding because it makes total sense to me how they could fall short. I won’t even see it as ‘falling short’ (in myself or someone else) until I’m around someone in whom it isn’t an inferior process- and then it looks like a superpower. At the most, I’ll get agitated that a blind spot me and that person share prevents us from participating in the world in a normal way (like the rest of the world got some memo that we missed out on)- but I certainly don’t get angry at the other person for it, it would just remain a bizarre “I think other people know something we don’t” feeling. What drives me nuts is when someone has an ‘inferior process’ that I can’t relate to- because I won’t understand how they’re having so much trouble with something that seems 'obvious' to me. [And as an aside- ENFP got mentioned a couple times now, and now that I think about it she does seem like a very Te heavy ENFP to me. Those Te heavy ENFPs tend to be clumsy interpersonally and a bit more bossy/aggressive than they realize.]

    They both describe how the whole farcical trip was the product of mishearing [6:44], and that is something I can relate to. If I have a lot of things going on, I tend to start mixing incoming details up like crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Z Buck McFate View Post
    The ‘overconfidence’ spiel at [4:56] is maybe more Te. I sometimes seriously underestimate how long it will take me to do something, but rarely ever overestimate my ability to do things.

    And this tangent she keeps going on, about how seeing inferior Se in her husband was driving her nuts because he was “reflecting her inferior processes”…..that’s seems really weird to me. If someone has the same inferior processes- that’s when I’m actually most understanding because it makes total sense to me how they could fall short. I won’t even see it as ‘falling short’ (in myself or someone else) until I’m around someone in whom it isn’t an inferior process- and then it looks like a superpower. At the most, I’ll get agitated that a blind spot me and that person share prevents us from participating in the world in a normal way (like the rest of the world got some memo that we missed out on)- but I certainly don’t get angry at the other person for it, it would just remain a bizarre “I think other people know something we don’t” feeling. What drives me nuts is when someone has an ‘inferior process’ that I can’t relate to- because I won’t understand how they’re having so much trouble with something that seems 'obvious' to me. [And as an aside- ENFP got mentioned a couple times now, and now that I think about it she does seem like a very Te heavy ENFP to me. Those Te heavy ENFPs tend to be clumsy interpersonally and a bit more bossy/aggressive than they realize.]

    They both describe how the whole farcical trip was the product of mishearing [6:44], and that is something I can relate to. If I have a lot of things going on, I tend to start mixing incoming details up like crazy.
    I think you can engage in projection related to your inferior process especially when under stress. Imagine two Ni doms in the grip of the inferior together at the same time .

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    Hey you.

    So I watched the video, the parts of it I could stand. It was weird, and not illuminating. They seemed to be talking much more of abdication of responsibility than inferior sensing. Still, if they can stay married by calling it type difference...


    I'd almost say ENTP for her, but amped up INFJ in teacher persona works too.
    Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated, meant, "This is extremely unusual."

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    I think you can engage in projection related to your inferior process especially when under stress. Imagine two Ni doms in the grip of the inferior together at the same time .
    But I don’t have to imagine it. I’ve had enough close INFJ friends to know what that’s like- and in large part, it’s why I’ve said I don’t think I could ever handle being in a relationship with another INFJ. It’s like the blind leading the blind, an overwhelming vague feeling like “I think other people know something that we don’t.” And when I’m stressed, it does get very irritating- but it’s weird to me that she seems to be angry at him. I guess I'd have to kind of already resent someone quite a bit to act the way she acted towards him, or something.

    Getting angry at someone else for something that makes sense is….weird, to me (because as many INFJs have said- as soon as something makes sense to us, that’s when we instantly stop being angry). eta: the exception would be if it were something selfish or thoughtless- but getting sloppy with details due to inferior Se doesn't fall in that category.

    She mentioned maybe making another video in which she is the one who gets self-effacing. That’d be interesting to see. If she ever got around to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Z Buck McFate View Post
    And when I’m stressed, it does get very irritating- but it’s weird to me that she seems to be angry at him. I guess I'd have to kind of already resent someone quite a bit to act the way she acted towards him, or something.

    Getting angry at someone else for something that makes sense is….weird, to me (because as many INFJs have said- as soon as something makes sense to us, that’s when we instantly stop being angry). eta: the exception would be if it were something selfish or thoughtless- but getting sloppy with details due to inferior Se doesn't fall in that category.

    She mentioned maybe making another video in which she is the one who gets self-effacing. That’d be interesting to see. If she ever got around to it.
    I think you meant "that makes no sense"?

    Anyway, yeah I would get pissed if I were him and let her know it but who knows, maybe he understands/accepts her for being that way.

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    HA! The husband knew where they were. He just knew. :-) O quel coinkydink. It's not a coinkydink. He got the facts wrong but he was actually driving to where the guy actually was. I love it.

    And P.S., Srsly, Vicky Jo's sitting there in her underwear. Girl needs to put a shirt on. :-p

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    Honestly, what an obnoxious video.

    She's basically just shaming her husband on the internet.

    I live in LA, drive all over the place, and have absolutely no problem getting where I need to go.

    I'm not saying this episode has nothing to do with his inferior Se, but inferior Se doesn't dictate that you can't fucking take directions and get where you need to go; frankly, the guy seems like a spaced out enneagram 9, and like this is causing a lot of his issues.

    He's also a fucking douche/pussy for putting up with this woman's shit.

    And, like many others have said, I'm not sure she's actually an INFJ.

    Lastly, if we're typology "amateurs", what the fuck exactly is she?

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    I think you meant "that makes no sense"?
    Actually no, when things make sense- and it's something innocuous (like inferior function weakness)- then it just seems weird to me to get angry. That's especially true the more I can directly relate to it.
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    I associate absent-mindedness much more with Pe, not lack of Pe... The average SP seems more disorganized & forgetful than an NJ. I won't go into any theoretical spiel; this is just observation of patterns of behaviors.

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    Anyhow, VJ's grasp of Fi is way too crap to be ENFP or any Fi type. I've never come across an ENFP with such terrible grasp of Fi, even the ones who know little about the theory. Most IxTJs have a better grasp of Fi than her.

    She is an extroverted feeling type, likely an ENFJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamishi View Post
    Proclaimed, huh?
    I considered the term "self-described" but that precludes someone has not been professionally typed. After that, all one can do is proclaim. I wanted to iterate the fact that rarely do people embody a set function order as MBTI ascribes, let alone a single function.

    I never once intended to argue the point that inferior Se types are not able to efficiently function in the sense world by the way. Knowing myself and who I am, putting value on the sense world is the least likely thing I would do, especially as a type 5 I think. Ni and 5-ness kind of go together. I can imagine how to operate perfectly in the sense world but once I need to translate this knowledge into anything practical it tends to just fail beyond belief. I don't know how to translate what I'm seeing in my mind and apply it properly in the actual sense world. There are other aspects as well of course, such as forgetting where I put my keys or my phone (nevermind my inability to remember to charge my phone and have my family members try to call me several times and asking if I'm alive), remembering to eat, slight sense of hypochondria (especially that which is capable of invading the body e.g. parasites) and I don't know what else. The world of inferior sensation is just a strange one. I rather just not think of it at all.

    The point I was raising is that you were making the claim that Se has nothing to do with the sense of "being in the moment" which I attest from personal experience is simply not true, especially because of how obviously it stands in contrast to Ni as a dominant perspective that is anything but being aware of the present moment. I'm more aware of drawing patterns of observed phenomena in the past and telling what will happen in the near to far-away future than I am telling what is going on right now. Having to consciously focus my perspective this way is clearly painful and it's only in childish moments of inferior eruption where I can enjoy such occurrences. I think perhaps even moreso because of Fi is also supporting inferior Se. This video may be exaggerated but it still captures the positive experience of inferior Se with Fi quite well. Notice its childish and archaic nature:


    Good post. I honestly wasn't positive about what direction you wanted to go with that earlier comment, but it's clarified quite well here. I don't agree with the video being an example of inferior Se - that is an example of Se in general, perhaps. I think you nailed it with the Fi comment. I would go with Fi a trillion times over before anything, but almost certainly not Se-inferiority.

    I suppose Se is the most in the moment, in a sense - but I prefer not to think of it as some high-level acuity to the physical realm in the manner the video in the OP suggests. It's more like if Se sees someone going for a mug, they wish to stay open to the possibility they will pour apple juice, milk, eat soup, or even throw it against a wall - while Ni is more into applying patterns as you've stated, such as equating coffee mugs to coffee. Se does not like making these connections in such an intuitive fashion, even so far as repressing intuitive reactions to circumstance - Jung predicts Se finds them archaic and grotesque.

    Take an experience I had recently with a perhaps Ni friend. We were getting fast food and pulled up to the first window to pay. I paid, and the guy who took my money said "Wait right here, I will be right back with your food". So I'm waiting, and after two long minutes the Ni in my backseat starts getting irate, telling me to pull up to the second window, the guy is probably waiting for us to pull up. I tell him several times the guy explicitly instructed me to wait there, and my friend in the passenger seat confirms this, but the Ni is having none of it. He starts mumbling curses to himself, boiling about how wrong I am, repetitively expressing how 'fucking stupid' the situation is. My face grows hot in contemplation; in my mind I start doubting my perception - "did he actually instruct me to pull forward? Should I pull up regardless? He is right, this is quite odd..." Then I think to myself "Okay, if the guy was actually waiting for me he would have A) opened the window and waved me forward or B) walked my food back to the first window anyways. There is a car behind me, he obviously isn't just going to let me hold up the line this way. Plus, it's three in the morning - they are probably taking so long because they are making this food fresh since they are not all that busy." So I decide to ignore Ni (including my own) and wait.

    Sure enough, about a minute later, the guy opens the window and hands me the food cheerfully. I felt like turning around and smacking the guy in my backseat for causing me so much cognitive dissonance, but I realize this is just Ni being Ni. He had no intent to reconcile the fact that the man explicitly instructed me to wait to the patterns he had recognized in the past. This is a textbook example of Ni suppressing objective sensory experience in the manner Jung describes. So Se is in the moment, to this regard, in the sense that it correctly objectively understands and interprets such experience.

    I have postulated while recanting this story if it could be attributable to Si - but no, it couldn't. Jung states Si to be over reliant on Se, Se is Si's unconscious attitude - perhaps too trusting of sensory experience, much as the way Ni is too trusting of its intuitive experience. Now - it may be I am going quite out on a limb with this story being attributable to Ni altogether, but I feel confident in my thoughts and I would welcome a rebuttal should anyone disagree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    It seems like the only way to ensure any kind of direct relationship between the content of the mind and the shape of the outside world is to have Se operate independent of other cognition. No transformation. No additional input. No human.
    +1

    Buddha recognized this many years ago, and it takes decades of concentrated effort to theoretically achieve.

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