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    Quote Originally Posted by sarah View Post
    I can see both Ti and Fi dominant people agreeing with that. Maybe the ISTPs reject things on principle (?) whereas the ISFPs reject things that contradict their values. I don't see this as hardness -- stubbornness maybe. I'm nice and conciliatory unless for some reason I really don't feel like going along with the crowd, in which case nobody can convince me to do whatever it is I don't want to do. I'm also averse to being pressured into anything, even if it was something I would normally have considered.

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    I'm nice and easy going but I wouldn't say I'm conciliatory. Thinking about it now I would say I was conciliatory in my youth.
    I wouldn't say it is a false persona or using stubborness more a reaction to the environment. Like a callus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AvereX View Post
    perhaps foolishness

    there can be strength in letting go of ego and conceding
    or standing up for one's own values and being courageous in the face of opposition

    either way - you've got to be smart, and more often than not do something uncharacteristic of you in order to win
    You have a point.

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    The underhand of law is crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    You have a point.

    The underhand of the mob is the society.
    The underhand of law is crime.

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    its hand against hand, and both hands are mine
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    Quote Originally Posted by AvereX View Post
    there can be strength in letting go of ego and conceding
    or standing up for one's own values and being courageous in the face of opposition
    it really depends on the reason for doing either, no?


    connotation definitely comes into play here.

    to me, i am "being nice" if i think i am benefiting someone in a useful way, regardless of how i deliver it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grayscale View Post

    to me, i am "being nice" if i think i am benefiting someone in a useful way, regardless of how i deliver it.
    I think almost the same way but will often adapt my approach to the person. To a point at least. I would say communication is the response you get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AvereX View Post
    its hand against hand, and both hands are mine
    its standing in a circular line ~ Ani DiFranco
    Frankie boy had two hands in two pockets, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Frankie boy had two hands in two pockets, too.
    lol-so naughty
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    I've been wondering why the ISFP descriptions paint a picture of a very soft person, a people pleaser. ISTP on the other hand seem hard in the descriptions. I can see how using Fe would make someone nice but Fi I would think could go either way?

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    Being that Fe is the INFP's weakest preference, I always find it strange when people appear to be under the impression that harmony is the be-all end-all of the INFP's existence. "Being polite, being nice, being friendly, being considerate, and being appropriate" are all concerns of Fe! That is a quote from "Extraverted Feeling" at cognitiveprocesses.com.

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    Quote Originally Posted by disregard View Post
    Being that Fe is the INFP's weakest preference, I always find it strange when people appear to be under the impression that harmony is the be-all end-all of the INFP's existence. "Being polite, being nice, being friendly, being considerate, and being appropriate" are all concerns of Fe! That is a quote from "Extraverted Feeling" at cognitiveprocesses.com.
    Fi seems to focus more on the intimate connection. It's sort of like seeing oneself as a unique value-driven person allows someone to (hopefully) see others as the same and extend personal warmth to them. There's a tendency to engage more directly with individuals on their level.

    Fe seems to me to still feel more like the "harmony" thing you mention, where you're trying to smooth out the social fabric and have people "play nice" in how they interrelate by following general principles of interaction, and the personal element is not quite necessary to that although helpful.

    IxFPs usually seem to want to engage people far more one on one and make the personal and unique connection, rather than being the ones to enforce some broader "system of interaction."
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    ISTP on the other hand seem hard in the descriptions.
    For me at least, it's very true. I cannot be convinced to do, or agree with, or change my opinion on, most things, if I don't want to. You can attempt to make arguments to persuade, and I will usually consider them, but there is no way to forcibly make me change, on anything.
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