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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Especially be aware of the xNTJs. Like many of history's xNFJs, the xNTJs also have a dream...but the xNTJs are just not as nice!
    You mean the Blond Beast?

    Reinhard Heydrich - Biography

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    Quote Originally Posted by Splittet View Post
    Yeah, but results aren't 100 % perfect... But true, my J has grown much weaker in just the past year. I am kind of into an existential and identity crisis. I have less focus.
    Interesting. Once the Ti (which is very close at the heel by now) gets the upper hand, you are an INTP.
    Here in the forum there are people who have made the metamorphosis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Interesting. Once the Ti (which is very close at the heel by now) gets the upper hand, you are an INTP.
    Here in the forum there are people who have made the metamorphosis.
    Hehe, well, I don't really see it happening. If it did though, it would be the result of apathy and failure to create/find answers to the philosophical questions that troubles me. In that perspective I hope I never become an INTP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Economica View Post
    See, when I describe N and S along these lines, my Sensing friends and acquaintances (except for the ones with vocational education) usually think they're N. How does one explain the N/S dimension to a Senser holding, say, a Master's Degree in humanities so that they self-select as Sensing? I sometimes feel like I'm (indirectly) saying "So, essentially, this is the preference that, all else equal, would make the best (insert their academic profession here), and this is the preference that is better for doing something more practical/concrete. Which preference do you think you have?"
    Wel, I don't know your particular situation but here is an observation I have made on my own experiences. Sometimes it may be that a strong N thinks another person is a sensor, but they are really just closer to the mid point but still N.

    In my situation, my husband often gets really impatient with me over being random and rambling when I am trying to explain something ...he is always "get to the point, get to the point...do you have a point? Why didn't you just say it that way to begin with!" and yet he gets the same thing from his strongly sensor relatives when he is trying to explain something.

    The reason became apparent in taking the long version of the test that gave indications of how our marriage works. I come out significantly higher in the N section than he did but he is still an N.

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    As a sensor, I enjoy being practical. I feel like I can appreciate what's right in front of me without overanalyzing it or making it into something it's not. I enjoy being relevant and here in the now.

    I prefer that sensors are here in the present, more down to earth, easier for me to relate to. I communicate better with them...

    Negative things...I also get the feel that they may assume I am not as intelligent and am lacking in depth. While in turn I feel like they can be completely irrelevant and pointless at times.

    I'm going to add some positive things about N's as well...there is a part of me that is fascinated by their depth of imaginations and creativity. It comes so easily for them...it would be interesting to peek inside those heads, or experience being an N for a day.

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    I deeply envy the S ability to engage their environment by instinct. I struggle with that even on a very basic level. I always feel like I'm the one missing the punchline to the joke of life -- all the S's around me are getting it and I'm left trying to intuit my glass of juice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    my husband often gets really impatient with me over being random and rambling when I am trying to explain something ...he is always "get to the point, get to the point...do you have a point? Why didn't you just say it that way to begin with!"
    I used to roll my hands when I said that. Now I just listen for key points and wait. If it's too long however the I in me overrides the E and I'm off to some other place. Sometimes I catch myself and pull myself back in and hope I didn't miss anything. Usually I miss the one point she had to make in the first place and we have to start over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "?" View Post
    There is a reason for this. SPs can easily see the big picture, and they do use the other functions as well. This article captures something that I have attempted to convey in other threads:For this reason, in answering the question whether SPs stay in the moment is as equally relevant to how developed the Ni is for both Ne and Se types.
    Thanks for the link and the posting because it really helped to understand one thing bothering in ISTP's. I really been wondering how ISTP can see the big picture so cleary even if being S.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    I often like to draw, but the pictures I created on paper are not quite the way I imagined them in my head.
    Same...except that I also suck at drawing.

    Now, for what I think would be an S description of me (although I am on the low end of the N scale, IMO):

    - Moody (this is mostly internal though), vague, forgetful, absent-minded, lacking in common sense, impractical, theoretical, (possibly) intellectual, indecisive, 'head in the clouds', lacking the ability to lead...although some of those traits may not really be N traits.
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    It's almost counterintuitive to me, but it seems that an S gets what it means to be an N better than an N can understand what it would be like to be an S.

    For example:
    Quote Originally Posted by lecky View Post
    I'm going to add some positive things about N's as well...there is a part of me that is fascinated by their depth of imaginations and creativity. It comes so easily for them...it would be interesting to peek inside those heads, or experience being an N for a day.
    The S is better at sensing what it must be like to be an N.

    An N knows when someone is *less* N than they; but they have little concept of life outside of N. You would think the N would be able to conceptualize Sness; however to do so, an N has to conceptualize what it's like *not to* conceptualize. With effort, the N may be able to conceptualize an S orientation, but cannot seem to understand the underlying meaning or value behind being an S.

    Except in the case of playing tennis. Then I *get* why being able to just hit the stinking ball would be somehow better.

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