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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    That's interesting. I'm also surprised you lasted that long!

    My closest friend from college is an ESFP, and the way we bonded 75% of the time was shared experiences. They're actually the strongest bonders for me. Mostly because it makes them last. Talking bonding stand alone doesn't do enough, it fades fast because I am not actually doing something with the person. That said, shared experiences alone is not enough. There's got to be a lot of communication, or shared emotion/struggles in order for it be anything. My ESFP and I bonded mostly over skiing. We went all the time together. However, when we went, we were always talking, shooting the shit, joking around, starting games with each other, having "oh shit we almost went off a cliff" moments. I've gone skiing with others before and it was mostly just skiing with each other. One guy in particular got a lot out of it and seemed to start to bond to me from what I could tell, but I didn't at all. I was just bored and someone stressed by it (not sure of his type).

    If my ESFP friend and I weren't doing something, she'd get bored quickly. That's actually big reason why I love her so much, she's an initatior of action (and I need someone to do that), and I mostly keep up, and I am an initator of communication (and she needs someone to do that), and she mostly keeps up. Perfect bond really.

    Though I think a difference between us though is I am way more attracted to extroverts in friends and relationships. Introverts tend to be more of a strain for me. The point is, I think for someone shared experiences might be enough, or talking alone might be enough. For others, you need a mix of things
    I agree!

    Yes! ESFP's! So easy to bond with! They bring a mix of experiencing and talking that can make faster and deeper bonds. I don't know one ESFP that I don't get along with great irl actually

    I wish I was attracted to extroverts

    I have actually been trying to figure out what I want out of a relationship more recently

    In an intimate relationship I want someone that I can chase, but also someone that gives feedback.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    Because what you're suggesting is wrong, based off stereotypes. You made a claim, without supporting it. You just said "it's my Ni". That doesn't make it right. Yours, and anyones intuition can be used as leads, but it can NOT be used as a fact or basis without some kind of support.

    If you were joking around, I am sorry for misunderstanding, but by your tone I assumed you are/were being serious with this, hence I took it as such.
    It's not a fact...just a hunch...I believe a high Se indicates an abundance of testosterone hormone in the body...hence the athletic build, promiscuity, aggressiveness, thrill-seeking and impulsiveness observed in those with high Se (including women)... That physiology gives them the ability to attune with and manipulate the Se layer of the physical environment...

    Those in high Ne OTOH may have for instance an attunement with and ability to manipulate the outcome of events...i.e. the Ne layer...

    Those strong in Fe OTOH may have relatively less amounts of testosterone, thereby may be lacking in the aforementioned traits...which compels them to depend on each other, and act in groups as a society to survive...

    In nature, the former traits are observed in predators\carnivores (which may form packs as well sometimes but I guess the pack mentality comes from Fi-aux or tert) whereas the latter is observed in herd animals\herbivores...

    Based on all these "assumptions", a high level of testosterone would result in a muscular\strong body, which would require a constant intake of (meat-based) protein to sustain...

    There's plenty of data available to that end in bodybuilding diets etc...

    In the end, this would imply that Fe = herd instinct... Fi= pack instinct... Se=predator instinct... Of course our conscious self may opt to go against the primitive instincts...to a certain extent...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
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    I have actually been trying to figure out what I want out of a relationship more recently

    In an intimate relationship I want someone that I can chase, but also someone that gives feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    It's not a fact...just a hunch...I believe a high Se indicates an abundance of testosterone hormone in the body...hence the athletic build, promiscuity, aggressiveness, thrill-seeking and impulsiveness observed in those with high Se (including women)... That physiology gives them the ability to attune with and manipulate the Se layer of the physical environment...

    Those in high Ne OTOH may have for instance an attunement with and ability to manipulate the outcome of events...i.e. the Ne layer...

    Those strong in Fe OTOH may have relatively less amounts of testosterone, thereby may be lacking in the aforementioned traits...which compels them to depend on each other, and act in groups as a society to survive...

    In nature, the former traits are observed in predators\carnivores (which may form packs as well sometimes but I guess the pack mentality comes from Fi-aux or tert) whereas the latter is observed in herd animals\herbivores...

    Based on all these "assumptions", a high level of testosterone would result in a muscular\strong body, which would require a constant intake of (meat-based) protein to sustain...

    There's plenty of data available to that end in bodybuilding diets etc...

    In the end, this would imply that Fe = herd instinct... Fi= pack instinct... Se=predator instinct... Of course our conscious self may opt to go against the primitive instincts...to a certain extent...

    I am going to quote one particular part:

    I believe a high Se indicates an abundance of testosterone hormone in the body
    You said it yourself. This is a belief, which is NO different from a hunch, in ways of making a claim. It is not a fact, and nothing more than speculation. You don't have anything to back this up other than personal opinion. I don't agree with it, and since you are the one claiming it, you bear the burden of proof and must fulfill this duty for a discussion to go forward, or be taken seriously. This has yet to be seen.

    The entire post you have made is nothing more than speculation off your own opinion. What you're claiming, additionally, is really lofty. A measurable tangible biological basis of a function? I have serious doubts anything like this exists to reference. Additionally, the vast majority of this IS stereotypical of Se (and other functions), which is well regarded to not be reliable. All this put together, this makes all of this akin to psychobalbble, and should not be taken seriously. That is, unless you back it up, with evidence. To be perfectly honest, I am not aware of any such evidence to support this, and I doubt it exists either.

    Again, this is all stereotypical, unsupported, and can't be taken seriously until you use something to support it.

    Speculation it may be, but I am telling you that it's wrong based on the fact that there isn't anything to back this up. Hence, the speculation should be retracted as wrong. To not do so is horribly intellectually dishonest and in a way shameful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    I am going to quote one particular part:

    You said it yourself. This is a belief, which is NO different from a hunch, in ways of making a claim. It is not a fact, and nothing more than speculation. You don't have anything to back this up other than personal opinion. I don't agree with it, and since you are the one claiming it, you bear the burden of proof and must fulfill this duty for a discussion to go forward, or be taken seriously. This has yet to be seen.

    The entire post you have made is nothing more than speculation off your own opinion. What you're claiming, additionally, is really lofty. A measurable tangible biological basis of a function? I have serious doubts anything like this exists to reference. Additionally, the vast majority of this IS stereotypical of Se (and other functions), which is well regarded to not be reliable. All this put together, this makes all of this akin to psychobalbble, and should not be taken seriously. That is, unless you back it up, with evidence. To be perfectly honest, I am not aware of any such evidence to support this, and I doubt it exists either.

    Again, this is all stereotypical, unsupported, and can't be taken seriously until you use something to support it.

    Speculation it may be, but I am telling you that it's wrong based on the fact that there isn't anything to back this up. Hence, the speculation should be retracted as wrong. To not do so is horribly intellectually dishonest and in a way shameful.
    No, speculations (hunches) should be discussed, investigated...they may turn out to be wrong though...

    N is all about asking "what if" and saying "let's assume..." and then developing the discussion from that point... It is about starting from hunches (a priori, "assumed to be true" information) whereas T is about starting from known data (a posteriori, "known to be true" information)...

    You are asking me to provide you Te data, which I do not (have the means) to have... You can OTOH assume my assumptions to be correct and then work from there to check whether or not it fits with Te...

    This "may" also mean that you are T-dom, probably an ESTJ... cause ENTJ's Ni would be willing to discuss these assumptions...for a while at least...

    In the end, they are just my speculations\assumptions but I will not retract them if that's what you are asking me... perhaps, in future I'll come along with more data verifying\falsifying them, which I'll certainly share...

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    No, speculations (hunches) should be discussed, investigated...they may turn out to be wrong though...

    N is all about asking "what if" and saying "let's assume..." and then developing the discussion from that point... It is about starting from hunches (a priori, "assumed to be true" information) whereas T is about starting from known data (a posteriori, "known to be true" information)...

    You are asking me to provide you Te data, which I do not (have the means) to have... You can OTOH assume my assumptions to be correct and then work from there to check whether or not it fits with Te...

    This "may" also mean that you are T-dom, probably an ESTJ... cause ENTJ's Ni would be willing to discuss these assumptions...for a while at least...

    In the end, they are just my speculations\assumptions but I will not retract them if that's what you are asking me... perhaps, in future I'll come along with more data verifying\falsifying them, which I'll certainly share...
    Yes, discussing is fine, but I have since told you that it should be disregarded, as I see it as wrong, and you can't seem to support it. I don't take it seriously, and no one else but you will either.

    What you are claming does requite strong support, because it is a loftly claim. The type of evidence I am asking for has absolutely nothing at all to do with functions. Calling it "Te evidence" is asinine.

    So, you want to hold onto something despite being shown that it's highly likely that it's not correct? Wow. "This evidence is bad, but I want to keep it anyway, just because". That's actually pretty intellectually bad and really shows a lack of clear thinking in regards to understanding things around you.

    Also, I am NOT a Te dom. I repeat, I. AM. NOT. This is wrong. This is the second time you have done this (unpromoted!), and I already told you last time this is not the case. I do not know how I can possibly make it more clear, in no uncertain terms. The fact that you are trying to label me as a Te dom off of this post alone, based off nothing more than stereotypes, really shows your severe lack of understanding for what the functions are. Maybe if you had a clearer understanding of the functions I might consider your analysis more. But, quite frankly, your analysis of this and me is terrible. There's also a curious trend I and others have been noticing, that you seem to type someone else as different after the express disagreement with your thoughts. This makes you look really bad, and it's probably a good idea to reconsider your motivations for wanting to do so. You also seem to be failing to notice that typing people unsolicited usually blows up in the typers face for a variety of reasons.

    So I am going to say this here clearly: DO NOT attempt to type me again unless I ask. It's annoying, your analysis are bad, I did not ask for it, and it spreads misinformation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    we dated for 2 YEARS! I still feel like I barely know him.
    hahaha

    yea...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    It's because brushing off ideas is not something I'd expect from an N-person... they'd rather elaborate on it or provide counter-arguments... And I just can't stop noticing it...

    The bolded part sounds like you are trying to appeal to the public or something else rather than to me...

    And relax... It's not that I called you silly, stupid or something else...

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    It's because brushing off ideas is not something I'd expect from an N-person... they'd rather elaborate on it or provide counter-arguments... And I just can't stop noticing it...

    The bolded part sounds like you are trying to appeal to the public or something else rather than to me...

    And relax... It's not that I called you silly, stupid or something else...
    AHHHH!! Did you not read what I JUST said? I told you stop and you flagrantly disregarded it. I did not ask your analysis, I did not ask for your reasoning. I asked for you to S.T.O.P.

    Don't apologize, don't explain, don't quote this, just stop please.

    EDIT: Sorry, I overreacted. But seriously, please just stop. You piss me off with this kind of stuff and I want to not be poked with it, and I do not want to have to waste energy explaining myself to you either. I dismissed the discussion several times, and that should be good enough for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    It's because we are introverted thinkers, and secondarily, extraverted sensors. So, we prefer to not communicate our thoughts, and instead focus on our environment. By asking them a question, you are forcing them to set both of those tendencies aside. This is exemplified with our Ni, and our irritation shows more because of our Fe.

    Plus if you are a strong extravert, then they probably just dislike you to begin with. No offense.
    I dodnt know this sounds very N to me, I will have an eye on you
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