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    Default Abstracting the Abstract

    The advantage of the abstract is that it covers a multitude of concrete examples.

    But that is only the beginning because the next step is to abstract from the abstract. And it is here you enter an entirely new world.

    And this new world is the world of the intellect.

    There is an entire intellectual life going on around you but if you haven't learnt to abstract from the abstract, it is invisible to you.

    There are some who have never learnt to read so the entire literate life is lost to them. And it is exactly the same for those who have never learnt to abstract the abstract, the entire intellectual life is lost to them.

    And not being able to take part in the intellectual life, they become anti-intellectual. And even though they are blind, they trumpet their opinions.

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    Let's twat 'em, Ted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colmena View Post
    Let's twat 'em, Ted.
    Whom, Colmena, shall we twat?

    Ted.

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    Victor - what are you talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alcea rosea View Post
    Victor - what are you talking about?
    If am talking about the hierarchy of abstraction.

    How can I tell you what it is like?

    Well, the concrete examples are like walking, while the abstractions are like dancing, and the abstraction of the abstraction is like dancing with a partner.

    Does that make any sense?

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    My abstraction allows me to understand how best to live on a simple level.

    Like how I want Ted to hold me; to rap his furry arms about my side, and lean his gullet next to mine.


    It seems a round about way of getting somewhere our instincts should tell us to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colmena View Post
    My abstraction allows me to understand how best to live on a simple level.

    Like how I want Ted to hold me; to rap his furry arms about my side, and lean his gullet next to mine.


    It seems a round about way of getting somewhere our instincts should tell us to be.
    Well, it's interesting, the higher you go up the abstraction tree the simpler it gets. It's the concrete that's complex.

    And, by-the-way, I also have a teddy called, "Paddy O'Flaherty". I like to stroke and flick his fur - it seems to comfort me.

    And I was talking to him the other day, and he said, "I hope you are being nice to Colmena".

    And I said, "I don't know - you'll have to ask Colmena".

    So Paddy wants to know if I am being nice to you.

    Paddy says he doesn't like me going on with all this intellectual talk, he just likes to sit with me in front of the fire and hold him.

    So I said to Paddy, "You sound a bit like Colmena".

    "Do you think so?", he said.

    "Yes", I replied.

    Ted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Well, it's interesting, the higher you go up the abstraction tree the simpler it gets. It's the concrete that's complex.

    And, by-the-way, I also have a teddy called, "Paddy O'Flaherty". I like to stroke and flick his fur - it seems to comfort me.

    And I was talking to him the other day, and he said, "I hope you are being nice to Colmena".

    And I said, "I don't know - you'll have to ask Colmena".

    So Paddy wants to know if I am being nice to you.

    Paddy says he doesn't like me going on with all this intellectual talk, he just likes to sit with me in front of the fire and hold him.

    So I said to Paddy, "You sound a bit like Colmena".

    "Do you think so?", he said.

    "Yes", I replied.

    Ted.
    Ne distraction: HEY, someone else has a stuffed animal, too, and he's not an NF - that's great. Paddy should meet Bun-Bun!!!

    Sorry, I will stay on track now.

    As a teacher, let me offer some bits of advice. They may or may not be applicable since I teach foreign languages, but I thought it might help.

    a) Change the methods you use frequently enough to be interesting.

    --Use different kinds of media.
    --Make sure you stick with one thing long enough to make sense.

    b) Cater to the person's interest - if you make it applicable and interesting for them, it will seem less like learning.

    c) Develop your intuition and your perception - you will "sense" when the time is right to change methods and to recognize which methods work.

    d) Make it applicable - why does the person need this info? What is their goal? Tie the info to the goal, and it makes it more sensible.

    e) Show interest - if the student realizes you are interested in more than the bottom line, they will be more willing to work with you. If you notice their attention is waning, find a discreet way to find the answer. Most people will answer you honestly (I find - but it might be a cultural difference here). I do not know how many times I have to be like a psychologist, simply because someone needs to talk to someone. They cannot focus because of problems they have. DO NOT PUSH, though. If they do not want to talk, leave them alone. Be open for the possibility, though.

    f) Give examples rather than long explanations. Most people get lost - boil it down to the most fundamental issue.

    g) Make games, if applicable. If people have fun, they do not even realize they are learning.

    h) Augment the games with practice. If you only have fun, they will not learn effectively either.

    i) Find out how the person learns best, and emphasize those methods in your teaching. You can often find this out through other means, such as interests the person has.

    j) Have them talk more than you. If you talk too much, students zone out. Have them interact with others OR have them tell YOU things.

    k) Make sure if they have understood by having them EXPLAIN it to YOU!!! Then you can see where the pitfalls are.

    l) Have them do writing, reading, and things they can do at home AT HOME. Do things with them that they CANNOT do at home - makes them feel like coming to your lessons is worthwhile.

    m) Concentrate on one thing at a time. If you try to tackle everything at once, people get lost.

    n) LOVE WHAT YOU DO - How can you expect them to be interested if you look like, GOOD GOD WHEN CAN I GET OUTTA HERE??!?!

    Hope that helps. Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    "Yes", I replied.
    Ted.
    You sound the perfect pair. You will learn a lot from each other.

    You have been exceedingly nice. You are the injection, and the serum is tenderness.
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    -What are you talking about?
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    -Well, forget about him and get to bed.
    -Yes, my dear.

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    i dont think its a matter of sensory/intuition, just how youre explaining things.

    whe people know is a lot like a web, if you're trying to explain something that the person has no way of relating to, then they might understand what you're saying in the simplest terms, but past that they're going to draw a blank.

    to be an effective teacher, you need to find a way to tie in what you're saying to that persons' understanding, that is why analogies are so helpful. if you cant do that, then you need to be very literal and deliberate so that person can build up a web of the topic's relativity from scratch.


    for instance, what if you were trying to explain color to a person who was blind their entire life? going off about shades and such isnt going to mean anything to them. you could, however, say it's a lot like the flavor of food, except in a visual sense... visual meaning the sense of things in front of you based on the light rays bouncing off of them and into your eyes. you could even say "what if you had to explain taste to someone?"... that person might understand that it's a sense a lot like their others and just as inexplicable, perhaps then they could at least imagine something similar.


    teaching effectively is more about the teacher learning about the student than the student learning the subject matter. find a few things that person is interested in and read up on them so you can relate.

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