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    Quote Originally Posted by fia View Post
    They might tie with ISFPs who also have tertiary Ni. Otherwise, yes the ISPs are the most intuitive I would vote.
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    Going to have to say ISFPs take home the gold here, though. Ti can be literal as a motherfucker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    It's a fairly common mistype, and I've witnessed it in several people I know.
    ISTP's Se can simulate a pseudo-Te in the Ti-Se mechanism, meaning that they might appear heavy Te when it is actually Se in overdrive. The difference is that the ISTP will be much more aggressive and will make sense of the data they are provided and decide on what is rationalized internally. Usually the asshole-ish people that seem like INTJ can sometimes be ISTPs with a better grip on Ni, and in Socionics, the ISTj Hidden Agenda Ni will sometimes inflate Ni to a power much like the Dominant function. (Though, it is often called the 'Pathetic' Hidden Agenda, so usually it is seen as amusing by Ego block Ni users)

    I've heard before that ISTPs are the most intuitive sensor, but honestly, I think the ISFP is much more intuitive-inclined by nature, especially when the ISFP is a Type 9 (one of its more common enneatypes), which completely stifles and confuses aux. Se, meaning that the Fi-Ni mechanism will develop and kick into place as a crutch for the ambivalent, hesitant Type 9 Se. I am also of the opinion that certain individuals in a type may be more intuitive than others, meaning that there could be an ESTP with exceptional introverted intuition compared to that of a poorly developed ENTJ, for instance.
    @senza tema, does this sound like you?

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    imo, it's a tie between ISFP and ISTP. ISTPs are more intellectual, but ISFPs are more likely to trust their intuition
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    imo, it's a tie between ISFP and ISTP. ISTPs are more intellectual, but ISFPs are more likely to trust their intuition
    I think you summed it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    @senza tema, does this sound like you?
    I think I said somewhere else that this resonated very well with me and my personal experience, yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    +1

    Going to have to say ISFPs take home the gold here, though. Ti can be literal as a motherfucker.
    T can feel almost concrete and linear at times when it attempts to define and control a sense of reality. N is such a nebulous function that it is a curiosity to consider the NT brain which can be something of a paradox.

    I'm close to someone who could actually be either ISFP or INFJ and it is quite trippy that I can't tell which. The person outwardly feels ISFP and has a little more handle on the concrete world than most INFJs, but when talking to him about the abstract, ethereal realm, it is clear that is his conceptual home. When an ISFP is in a Fi-Ni loop, it can be very ethereal and intangible. My mother is an ISFP and she is very intuitive in the traditional sense of the word, but also has a drive to understand the nature of reality, which for her involve a religious context. Regarding my friend, he comes across as though if anyone on earth is an intuitive, if must be him, and yet there are still aspects of ISFP to him because he is extremely laid back and describes his personality as "simple and straightforward", which isn't terribly INFJ-ish, but could be when the person is detached enough. My socialization is very simple because even though my emotional framework is woefully complex, I'm detached enough from it so it almost doesn't matter. I always respond the same very laid-back way to people irl until I'm pushed over the edge, then I blow-up and disappear like a supernova.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fia View Post
    T can feel almost concrete and linear at times when it attempts to define and control a sense of reality. N is such a nebulous function that it is a curiosity to consider the NT brain which can be something of a paradox.

    I'm close to someone who could actually be either ISFP or INFJ and it is quite trippy that I can't tell which. The person outwardly feels ISFP and has a little more handle on the concrete world than most INFJs, but when talking to him about the abstract, ethereal realm, it is clear that is his conceptual home. When an ISFP is in a Fi-Ni loop, it can be very ethereal and intangible. My mother is an ISFP and she is very intuitive in the traditional sense of the word, but also has a drive to understand the nature of reality, which for her involve a religious context. Regarding my friend, he comes across as though if anyone on earth is an intuitive, if must be him, and yet there are still aspects of ISFP to him because he is extremely laid back and describes his personality as "simple and straightforward", which isn't terribly INFJ-ish, but could be when the person is detached enough. My socialization is very simple because even though my emotional framework is woefully complex, I'm detached enough from it so it almost doesn't matter. I always respond the same very laid-back way to people irl until I'm pushed over the edge, then I blow-up and disappear like a supernova.
    I know an ISFP who is similar in the respect that he views himself as intuitive; part of me wanted to type him as INFJ, but only in light of the thoughts he shares on the internet. In real life, his attitude seems more devil-may-care. I think part of why he seems so intuitive, according to the colloquial sense of the word, is just the fact that his intuitions are so deeply housed in who he is. They're simple, discrete, and they serve his own purposes; when I visualize how his mind works, it appears compact, yet efficient. He has a level of certainty that sharply contrasts with the typical INXX tendency to over-analyze. From this perspective, it seems like iNtuitives ironically impede themselves with their dominant/auxiliary functions.

    Ti bears qualities that abstract information, but its level of tedious precision adds weight to the argument that ISTPs are less "intuitive", overall. Meanwhile, Fi (while exercising its own level of precision) seems less honed in on the objective world (objectivity being a strength of sensing). So, if we're to assume that each function, while different, holds aspects of equal measure, then Fi starts to look more "intuitive" when compared to Ti.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    imo, it's a tie between ISFP and ISTP. ISTPs are more intellectual, but ISFPs are more likely to trust their intuition
    None of them are really "intuitive" both are actually very sensing oriented they just appear that way because of ter Ni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    None of them are really "intuitive" both are actually very sensing oriented they just appear that way because of ter Ni.
    How astoundingly wise you must be, to think that a sensor can't use intuition. "And since you can't see, i should probably tell you I'm rolling my eyes."

    You sound like a rather underdeveloped fellow ISTP i know personally. Mayhaps you should have looked at the title more closely, where it says "What is the most intuitive of the sensors." You should know that any of the 4 cognitive functions of his/her type can be used by a well developed person. This discussion is about who uses their intuitive function most out of all the Sensing types. And that would be either the ISTP, who can have intuitive thoughts but doesn't trust them as much as the ISFP.

    It would do you good to read through this thread, hopefully you will learn enough to not give a simple black-or-white analysis of the topic, and construct a thoughtful and well-informed resposne to contribute and not some one line blanket statement, which uses the assumption that a preference (i.e Sensing over Intuition) is absolute and not changeable. Good day.
    Last edited by Dragonfly; 05-22-2014 at 04:47 PM. Reason: fixing a typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    How astoundingly wise you must be, to think that a sensor can't use intuition. "And since you can't see, i should probably tell you I'm rolling my eyes."

    You sound like a rather underdeveloped fellow ISTP i know personally. Mayhaps you should have looked at the title more closely, where it says "What is the most intuitive of the sensors." You should know that any of the 4 cognitive functions of his/her type can be used by a well developed person. This discussion is about who uses their intuitive function most out of all the Sensing types. And that would be either the ISTP, who can have intuitive thoughts but doesn't trust them as much as the ISFP.

    It would do you good to read through this thread, hopefully you will learn enough to not give a simple black-or-white analysis of the topic, and construct a thoughtful and well-informed resposne to contribute and not some one line blanket statement, which uses the assumption that a preference (i.e Sensing over Intuition) is absolute and not changeable. Good day.
    I never said a sensor can't use intuition can you even comprehend properly? my point was that the introverted sensors appear to use more intuition than the extroverted sensors because they are essentially introverted and not intuitive. So what you have is the appearance of intuition vs the actual use of intuition. Many ESTPs use their Ni just as much as ISTPs they just don't "appear" to use them compared to istps because they are not introverted. You sound like you are butt hurt over the fact that you are a sensor I pity your insecurities. Take care.

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