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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    I wonder how it is Se arrives at a determination of the meaning of the physical cue...
    Maybe some are evident prima facie, and others can be explained almost instantly pre-learned through Ti-constructed theories (eg body language theory).



    To deny a relationship between foresight and intuition would be a highly questionable act.
    Of course.

    It just fascinates how so many people with "foresight" all disagree radically with each other over what will happen.

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    Se is a whole way recognizing and ascribing meaning to things. You don't need dominant intuition to have meaning. Extroverted sensing has it's own backdrop... or zeitgeist, if you will. Or whatever you want to call it. A keen sense of trends maybe. Things that aren't really forward moving nor regressive. Things effective now. Se doesn't mean you only relate yourself to the objects around you. It's a bit more complicated. This notion of only knowing "immediacy" is like saying billions of human beings are no better than goldfish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Morto Che Parla View Post
    Maybe some are evident prima facie, and others can be explained almost instantly pre-learned through Ti-constructed theories (eg body language theory).
    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Se is a whole way recognizing and ascribing meaning to things. You don't need dominant intuition to have meaning. Extroverted sensing has it's own backdrop... or zeitgeist, if you will. Or whatever you want to call it. A keen sense of trends maybe. Things that aren't really forward moving nor regressive. Things effective now. Se doesn't mean you only relate yourself to the objects around you. It's a bit more complicated. This notion of only knowing "immediacy" is like saying billions of human beings are no better than goldfish.
    My point was that Ni is that backdrop.

    I actually think that SPs have a phenomenal amount of Ni.

    It's just mostly subconscious, and, as such, they use/access it differently than NJs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Il Morto Che Parla View Post
    It just fascinates how so many people with "foresight" all disagree radically with each other over what will happen.
    Some are better than others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    My point was that Ni is that backdrop.

    I actually think that SPs have a phenomenal amount of Ni..
    They probably work in tandem. And I think ESPs are the least conscious (obviously, being Ni inferior). The ISPs, as one description put it, stand on the sidelines, seeing the trends, choosing when to embody them. Or maybe just laughing at everyone who thinks they're cool.

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    While people are still thinking about it, ESTPs have already completed the task. Se in action. Thought/movement near one.

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    Like what the others said, it's a matter of moving quickly.
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    They are just being bombastic.
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    It's Se.

    Ni is there. As much as Si is there in ntps. Therefore they subconsciously sees a future. The steps of the future may not be vivid but the final picture is. This is the reason stps are more likely to finish things they started than NPs would.

    T-bag from prison break crosses my mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riva View Post
    T-bag from prison break crosses my mind.
    There's a guy named t-bag in a prison show?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    I've noticed that in countless threads that I've seen, many ESTP types claim to be several steps ahead of people. How is this possible? I mean it seems like in order to be several steps ahead of people, one would need to be using some sort of intuitive function? However, ESTP's are intuition last, so how does this make sense? Someone explain to me how this is possible? Is this somehow the Ti function that allows ESTP types to do this?
    Depends on what you mean by many steps ahead. Blinding rushing past someone for an answer that is false and inadequate is hardly a step ahead. That being said. ESTP's might get to the bottom line faster in a situation that requires mostly practical and pragmatic application. As oppose to an N and especially IN who must use every opportunity to contemplate how it lines up with the grand scheme of things and the meaning of life.
    The HOW and WHY is EVERYTHING! Look not at behaviors nor even beliefs, but the ideas behind HOW and WHY they are held. Only then are your judgements......somewhat acceptable.

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