[MBTI General] How to tell ESFPs and ESTPs apart

[Elfboy]

any takers?

 

[RaptorWizard]

ESFP - Kung Fu Panda

ESTP - Sonic the Hedgehog

 

[Orangey]

ESFPs have all of the worst trappings of the GtG interaction style, while ESTPs don't (they're In Charge.) That is, ESFPs can be manic, hyper, always flitting to-and-fro, and can seem like they have a need to constantly be moving around and socializing. ESTPs are, I think, more calm (which is probably what makes the worst of them more insidious and dangerous.)

 

[KDude]

What Orangey said. I was gonna say that ESTPs win staring contests more.

 

[Speed Gavroche]

No, ESTPs are not more calm. They are just (a bit) more able to be calm. Both ESFP and ESTP are strongly correlated to the histrionic personality. However ESTPs are more driven to put their ideas in order in their head and manage to be a smooth opereator to serve their practical and logical needs. While ESFPs are silly and illogic, don't care about logic and are driven by their feelings only, but are pretty good at managing to be assertive and put their external environment in order to serve their sentimental and ethical needs. ESTP are Ti, maximize logic, seek precision in words and idea, and also are absolutely charming and working the crowd, but minimize feelings. ESFPs are only driven by the caprice of their passion, minimize logic and maximize feelings also they are silly and don't care about logic and coherence but are very assertive and bossy when it's time to be, good at putting their private interest above the interst of the others, and act logically based on this. Both ESTPs and ESFPs then to be histrionic and hypomaniac, but ESTPs tend more to be antisocials, while ESFPs tend more to be dependent and borderline. The "calmer" vibe that can seem to be released by ESTPs comes only from their ability to rely on objective and impersonal principle and pattern (ESFP don't do that) while being smooth manipulator of people and crowd. That being said, ESTPs are clearly more confortable achieving their ends being shocking, spectacular and scandalous.

ESTPs are more in-charge and are confortable releasing the vibe of a commandant, that aspect is more marginal with ESFPs. Also ESFPs are more sensitive and personal, ESTPs are more realistic, cynical. Both are ironic, but ESTPs are more. Both are opportunistics and extravagants. ESTPs rely and external ethic, but deal with their personal feelings with some distance, feelings must logically makes sense. That preocupation don't concern the ESFPs.

ESTP is Catwoman. ESFP is Harley Quinn. I think.

ESTP
1w9 sx/sp Meryl Streep http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWOPY9_QTTU
3w2 so/sp David Cameron http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcRpb76YoNI
3w2 so/sp Ryan Seacrest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C17kXTK9GaQ
3w2 so/sx Taylor Swift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4kEl3f-ySc
3w4 sp/sx Anna Wintour http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i1CfQnqNM0
3w4 so/sx Kevin Spacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEF31lXiNq8
3w4 sx/so Madonna http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyTluYm_OUU
3w4 sx/so Sasha Grey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ6zPch9fMM
6w5 so/sx Julia Roberts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV0YbYECU7A
6w7 sp/so Glenn Beck http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRohgYwzRMU
6w7 sp/sx Mila Kunis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MV0CyahL8E
6w7 sx/sp Angelina Jolie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKHQ8VMU7lw
6w7 sx/so Amy Winehouse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6kWDfPzqO4
6w7 sx/so Milla Jovovich http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKZvUjTaDA0
7w6 sp/so Steven Covey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjI3wjKb124
7w8 so/sp John F Kennedy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7YkJxQT_0Y
7w8 so/sx Ben Affleck http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VsKgvobEKU
7w8 so/sx Jack Nicholson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sExcWgupkeA
8w7 sp/so Donald Trump http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MdMt_0e5Qs
8w7 so/sp Franklin D Roosevelt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8ujMc1LH0U
8w7 so/sx Nicolas Sarkozy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ-BMqSDs2Q
8w9 so/sp Winston Churchill http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ir1T8Z0bTo
9w8 so/sp George Bush Jr http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vefD3WSiis


ESFP
2w1 sp/so Deepak Chopra http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x960IKeLmY
3w2 sp/sx Jamie Oliver http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_SiKtUT4to
3w2 so/sp Tony Robbins http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb76b__tugk
3w2 so/sx Bill Clinton http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNoN403tXU4
6w5 so/sx Mel Gibson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YHccyFZKPU
6w7 so/sp Katy Perry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOtJUmiUZ08
6w7 so/sx Evan Rachel Wood http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SilJDUrFAOo
6w7 sx/so Lady Gaga http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q18QZiaA4Bg
7w6 sp/so Stephen Spielberg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOJkq7UdIDg
7w6 so/sx Leonardo DiCaprio http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/1061
7w6 so/sx Cameron Diaz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjlW2XT3kmw
7w6 sx/so Megan Fox http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmuqHNakidI
7w8 sp/sx Hugh Heffner http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DGkHDhcHZ8
7w8 so/sp Wayne Dyer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZSkJIX8VPc
7w8 so/sx Larry Ellison http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/6247
7w8 so/sx Richard Branson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BrKiG1cUPA
7w8 so/sx Quentin Tarantino http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38k_cgg1J-Y
8w7 sx/so Pink http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0AlYiijHeY

 

[Southern Kross]

ESFPs have all of the worst trappings of the GtG interaction style, while ESTPs don't (they're In Charge.) That is, ESFPs can be manic, hyper, always flitting to-and-fro, and can seem like they have a need to constantly be moving around and socializing. ESTPs are, I think, more calm (which is probably what makes the worst of them more insidious and dangerous.)

While ESTPs can certainly be silly, sociable and exuberant, they don't have quite that ESFP level of hyperactivity - they're more cool-headed.

I think ESTPs have a slightly harder edge; a directness. They're blunt, or more generally, straight-talking and seem more inclined to share an opinion, whereas the ESFPs seem more circumspect about asserting their views (and if they do, it's very off-hand and less direct). I also think that ESFPs' behaviour is adapted more to their surroundings, whereas ESTPs have a more consistent through line (if that makes sense).

EDIT: Speed, I'm sorry but a lot of those typings just seem plain wrong to me.

 

[RaptorWizard]

While ESTPs can certainly be silly, sociable and exuberant, they don't have quite that ESFP level of hyperactivity - they're cool-headed.

I think ESTPs have a slightly harder edge; a directness. They're blunt, or more generally, straight-talking and seem more inclined to share an opinion, whereas the ESFPs seem more circumspect about asserting their views.

ESFP is bossier than ESTP because ESFP has Fi where they have a rigid sense of values and Te where they will ruthlessly enforce those values on other people. ESTP has Ti where they will analyze in a cool and calculating manner and Fe where they will charm others and display their emotions in an open manner. ESTP also is more of a rebel and goes against the social norms whereas ESFP will do what is popular and what group values society expects making ESTP the fun one.

 

[Southern Kross]

ESFP is bossier than ESTP because ESFP has Fi where they have a rigid sense of values and Te where they will ruthlessly enforce those values on other people.

Hmmm, I suppose it happens occasionally, but I can't think of many times where I've seen a ESFP put their foot down. Usually it's after they've been pushed pretty far. I do think ESFPs can be quite stubborn at times.

ESTP has Ti where they will analyze in a cool and calculating manner and Fe where they will charm others and display their emotions in an open manner.

Yes, but I have known ESTPs to be quite forceful too, however, I don't think they always know when they're doing it. It also seems that they aren't doing it to subdue people (like EXTJs) but instead get them on side - which, when taken to a negative extreme, becomes manipulative.

ESTP also is more of a rebel and goes against the social norms whereas ESFP will do what is popular and what group values society expects making ESTP the fun one.

Yes, I would generally agree with that.

 

[Giggly]

ESFPs seem more emotional and ESTPs seem more logical.

 

[Speed Gavroche]

While ESTPs can certainly be silly, sociable and exuberant, they don't have quite that ESFP level of hyperactivity - they're more cool-headed.

ESTPs are NOT less hyperactive than ESFPs. ESTPs are hyperactive and cool-headed, ESFPs are hyperactive and silly.

I think ESTPs have a slightly harder edge; a directness. They're blunt, or more generally, straight-talking and seem more inclined to share an opinion, whereas the ESFPs seem more circumspect about asserting their views

No. It's just that ESTPs assert their logical views, while ESFPs assert their emotinal views. Making the ESTPs a more harsh with hard edge, more offending. ESFPs don't use logic to be offending and logically critical. But ESFPs know how to be assertive and bossy.

EDIT: Speed, I'm sorry but a lot of those typings just seem plain wrong to me.

Most are corrects. If not every. It's just that you are not tha good at typing, so you don't realize it.

 

[Southern Kross]

ESTPs are NOT less hyperactive than ESFPs. ESTPs are hyperactive and cool-headed, ESFPs are hyperactive and silly.

Fair enough. I will submit to your greater knowledge of the details of the type.

No. It's just that ESTPs assert their logical views, while ESFPs assert their emotinal views. Making the ESTPs a more harsh with hard edge, more offending. ESFPs don't use logic to be offending and logically critical. But ESFPs know how to be assertive and bossy.

Basically what I said...

Most are corrects. If not every. It's just that you are not tha good at typing, so you don't realize it.

The power of your logical reasoning overwhelms me. What on earth was I thinking?

 

[Speed Gavroche]

Fair enough. I will submit to your greater knowledge of the details of the type.

Good idea.

Basically what I said...

You said ESFPs where circurmspect about asserting their views. But they are not really.

The power of your logical reasoning overwhelms me. What on earth was I thinking?

The power of your reasoning is overhelming too since you showed nothing to prove your views.

 

[Elfboy]

[MENTION=5356]Speed Gavroche[/MENTION]
you forgot Tina Turner. ESFP 8w9 Sx/So

 

[Speed Gavroche]

[MENTION=5356]Speed Gavroche[/MENTION]
you forgot Tina Turner. ESFP 8w9 Sx/So

I think she is ESTP, prefer to put her feelings apart and minimize the importance of love, but has a personal warmth (tertiary Fe), plus she's clearly In-Charge.

An ESFP would not sing a song like that:

[youtube=YqWkFF-TbMU]Tina Turner : What´s love got to do with it Music Video[/youtube]


"It's practical, only physical": ESTP. Not ESFP.

 

[Southern Kross]

The power of your reasoning is overhelming too since you showed nothing to prove your views.

True, for the sake of brevity I did not go into mind-numbing detail when I expressed my difference in opinion (please forgive me, almighty god of Ti and all things nit-picky). And instead of asking for further details or engaging in a friendly debate, you shut down any chance of discussion and went straight for personal insults.

I really can't bothered with that sort of immaturity frankly.

 

[Totenkindly]

True, for the sake of brevity I did not go into mind-numbing detail when I expressed my difference in opinion (please forgive me, almighty god of Ti and all things nit-picky). And instead of asking for further details or engaging in a friendly debate, you shut down any chance of discussion and went straight for personal insults.

I really can't bothered with that sort of immaturity frankly.

Oh, come on... what would we do without such entertainment? Not everyone can dance and sing, so we just have to take what we can get.

 

[Eric B]

ESFPs have all of the worst trappings of the GtG interaction style, while ESTPs don't (they're In Charge.) That is, ESFPs can be manic, hyper, always flitting to-and-fro, and can seem like they have a need to constantly be moving around and socializing. ESTPs are, I think, more calm (which is probably what makes the worst of them more insidious and dangerous.)

Yes, with the “people vs task” difference between the Styles, the “ChlorSan” will have more of a “don't call me; I'll call you” mindset (despite appearing to be very personable), where the pure Sanguine ESFP will be more approachable.

There's one celebrity I used to mention, who I thought was ESFP, and then realized was ESTP, but we've alread been through that Socionics VI debate. Suffice it to say, if you look really good at the personality, you'll see she's really a Thinking type, and for a female, the tertiary Fe will be very prominent making her look like an ESFJ when going purely by function-“use”, but she's really a classic ESTP with an easily missable Ti preference.
(From what I'm seeing, the Ti does generally seem to be hard to see in ESTP's because it gets drowned out by the Se, and esp. in females, Fe, so yes, they may look like ESFP's. Interaction Styles then becomes the easier way to tell them apart).

 

[Poki]

Metro vs Jock

 

[UniqueMixture]

In my opinion ESTPs are more about raw power. ESFPs are more about "soft" power. ESTPs like physical manifestation of power, sexuality, and dominance such as guns, cars, and women whereas ESFPs in my opinion are more calculating and prefer power that is indirect, but just as effective such as social influence by being attractive or the centre of the group, behind the scenes manipulation, and currying favor with the influential. To me, the difference between them is night and day.

They can often behave similarly based on different rationales however. Ie. the narco drug lord. To me, a personage like Alexander the Great is more ESTP whereas an ESFP perhaps would be more like a ... to be honest I have not thought about politically famous ESFPs in antiquity. Maybe I'll think of one in a bit.

 

[Rasofy]

ESFPs tend to be more genuine(Fi?) and easygoing(informative style?)

Hope Solo

ESTPs tend to be more deliberate(Fe?) and bold(directive style?)

Misty May Treanor