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    Default Am I an Artisan?

    Hi, I am unsure of my type. I have tested as an Artisan and many general Artisan descriptions make sense. However, none of the individual type descriptions of each of the 4 Artisans seem to match me.

    I am a math major. This fact makes me think that I am a Thinking type (?). Are there any feeling Artisans that would major in math? I can be outspoken in class. I am very assertive and will not allow people to walk over me. I have always done extremely well in high school and college, but many descriptions say that Artisans are not good with classroom learning. However, I have never struggled in the classroom and I love to learn new things and ideas. I love all subjects.

    I am very reclusive. I spend most of my time by myself in my room studying, reading, or listening to music. Even though I may speak up in social situations and express my opinion I am not very outgoing or social in the sense that I hang out with people often.

    I usually get things going (take-charge, if you will) when I am in group projects. Everyone else just sits around and stares at each other, so I find I am the one who has to organize everything and gives us a start and execution plan.

    I have no artistic skills, really. Many people say I am very creative though. I am not an excellent drawer or painter. I used to play the piano. I am trying to start that again. I have interest in becoming multilingual. I am a good writer and I journalize my thoughts frequently. I am interested in beauty and makeup.

    I am leaning towards my being an istp or isfp but none of these descriptions really grab me. However, I have read the biographies of many Artisans and they are a lot like me. I relate to them very much. Barbra Streisand, Cher, Marilyn Monroe, Michael Jackson, Jack and Jackie Kennedy, Elvis, and Elizabeth Taylor are all Artisans that I read about. I see a lot of myself in Elizabeth Taylor, Cher, Jackie Kennedy, and Barbra Streisand. However, none of these women seem to match the isfp/esfp descriptions. They are strong, assertive women like me, an image of the i/esfp that does not come across to me when reading about these types. They also seem very level-headed, not too emotional or weak as an isfp or esfp might come across. Also, Jackie Kennedy and Barbra Streisand excelled in the classroom and loved to learn.

    Does anyone have any ideas of what type I seem like from my description of myself or the impression my writing voice gives? Also, does anyone else find a discrepancy between the type descriptions and real life Artisans? I feel a lot of Artisans are not seen as being "book-smart" but many of the Artisans I read about are very intelligent and interested in ideas and higher education.

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    You sound like you could be ISTP. If a subject interests anISTP they will make effort to study it. There is no reason why you can't be an sp and smart/academic. The nature of an ISTP is to be a deep thinker amongst other things. And there is always much more to an ISTP then what you initially see.

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    I second lauranna, if you think you might be an SP, i'd say ISTP suits you best.

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    I think neither Jackie Kennedy nor Barbara Streisand are of the artisan temperament. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that those two + Marilyn Monroe + Elizabeth Taylor + JFK are all ESFJs, and Elvis is ISFJ. I have no idea about Cher...

    Michael Jackson may be the only real SP in your list.

    As far as SPs and book learning, I'd say that the characterization that they seem anti-school is largely correct, even if they are bookish/obsessional about an academic subject. They can be very intelligent and academically successful, but they still give off the vibe that they view school as a take-it-or-leave-it affair. I guess what I'm saying is that they'll pretty much never come off as Hermione-esque.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    I think neither Jackie Kennedy nor Barbara Streisand are of the artisan temperament. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that those two + Marilyn Monroe + Elizabeth Taylor + JFK are all ESFJs, and Elvis is ISFJ. I have no idea about Cher...
    Jackie Kennedy I could buy being an SJ, and Marilyn I dunno, could even be an NF, but the rest are definite SPs.

    Anyway People Watcher, I think the best thing is to use the words & tools scale.

    Meaning is your language more concrete (think, talk more about actual objects, people, actions, sensory perceptions) or abstract (think and talk more about subjects and non-sensory things?)

    And then are you more cooperative or utilitarian in nature? In other words, do you believe in following the rules because it's the right thing to do, or working with people to find the most harmonious solutions, or do you believe in what seems like it works best or feels cool to do, regardless of whether it adheres to anyone else's standards?

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    You don't have to be a thinker to do work or study that would seem to appeal just thinkers. I think you would be ISTx maybe leaning towards ISTJ, i'd check out the ISTJ description.

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    I'm not sure why you think xSFP women are "weak"...you've clearly never met me...and I do think Cher, Marilyn Monroe, Liz Taylor, and Jackie Kennedy are all Artisans by the Keirsey definition.

    For example, Courtney Love is probably an - albeit unhealthy, or at least unhealthy when she was younger - ESFP and she'd probably punch you if you said she was weak, and even later in life when she cleaned up, she proved herself to be quite a business woman, not all threats and physical fighting, and she was strong enough to live through Kurt's suicide and raise her daughter, despite her own emotional/mental illness.

    Madonna is probably an ESTP, and she's another very strong SP wimminz.

    To me you sound like an ISTP, though. Maybe by "weak" you mean "emotional" and that would be a more T-ish perception.

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    I am a math major. This fact makes me think that I am a Thinking type (?). Are there any feeling Artisans that would major in math? This may indicate thinking type, but it's absurd to say that no feelers can major in math or other exact subjetcs.

    I am very assertive and will not allow people to walk over me. This seems really ExxJ, or particularly ESTP, which is more likely since you think you are an artisan.

    I have always done extremely well in high school and college, but many descriptions say that Artisans are not good with classroom learning. However, I have never struggled in the classroom and I love to learn new things and ideas. I love all subjects. They normally are not good with classroom learning because of their sensing preference, which doesn't tolerate theories. The perceiving don't help in the process either. But you can't generalize. I know a bunch of artisans (SPs) that are very smart, and go well in studies.

    I am very reclusive. I spend most of my time by myself in my room studying, reading, or listening to music. Even though I may speak up in social situations and express my opinion I am not very outgoing or social in the sense that I hang out with people often. This seems really introvert. And the fact that you may speak up in social situations lowers the possibility of you being an introverted feeler.

    I usually get things going (take-charge, if you will) when I am in group projects. Everyone else just sits around and stares at each other, so I find I am the one who has to organize everything and gives us a start and execution plan. This seems like a developed extroverted thinking, but it's hard to tell. (Te users applicable for you: ISTJ or ESTJ. You might consider both, mainly ISTJ.)

    Also, does anyone else find a discrepancy between the type descriptions and real life Artisans? I feel a lot of Artisans are not seen as being "book-smart" but many of the Artisans I read about are very intelligent and interested in ideas and higher education. Artisans are really common, and they can vary a lot. It's true that a good part of them are brickheaded, but that does not apply to all of them. Indeed, as I said, a lot of artisans are smart. Not book-smart I'd say, only fact-smart. SPs have a very good sense of what is in the real world, and they enjoy that.

    Okay, after reading what you said, I'd say ISTP for you. Don't rely in descriptions, particularly for ISTP descriptions, they are normally bad. ESTP is also a possibility, but I don't think so. Well, the only certainity you gave me is that you are a thinker, and probably an introvert. I can feel sensing from you too.
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    Your group setting description? I do the same thing if there is no one taking charge. Mainly, because I don't like working in groups and I'd rather decide the job I'm doing than have a less favored one assigned to me. Also, the discussion has less of a chance of going in a painful "picking fly sh*t out of pepper" direction. Less chat. More do.

    Most of that stuff u mentioned is symptoms. Lots of engineers and surgeons are ISTP. That takes grad school. If no temperament rings true for you, have your close friend answer the questions for you. Maybe they'll see something definitive you don't
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDP2525 View Post
    If no temperament rings true for you, have your close friend answer the questions for you. Maybe they'll see something definitive you don't

    I have no friends who would know me well enough to answer these questions. Neither would any family members be able to answer precisely

    Quote Originally Posted by minutegovt View Post
    I think you would be ISTx maybe leaning towards ISTJ, i'd check out the ISTJ description.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    And then are you more cooperative or utilitarian in nature?
    Others have suggested istj for me. But I am not a cooperative type. I am definitely utilitarian. I do things because it works and makes sense. If something doesn't make sense to me (meaning it doesn't work the way I think it should) then I will not want to do it.

    I definitely question tradition and why we do things the way we do. I will not accept something just because that is the way it has always been. I use my "own mind" more than SJs tend to. They go along with society's rules and trends without questioning the status quo. I am more likely to see the value in something unusual, different, that doesn't fit the mold.

    I am creative in the sense that I think outside the box. So if I were any other temperament besides Artisan it would be the Rational.

    I used to think I was a Rational. But I started to question that because I am so good with my five senses. I am very aware of what's going on around me and space. Most intuitives seem clueless about space, i.e. What's near them? How much space is between them and the next person?

    I get pleasure from engaging my Se (Extraverted Sensing function). I like touch, smells, and looks. I can notice (by taste or sight) when my mom uses a different brand for an ingredient in her dishes. I'll say, "this tastes funny." And she'll say, "I used a different brand." So I am very good with noticing textures and scents and looks (such as facial features, colors). All very concrete, extraverted sensing things.

    So have I convinced you all that I am not an SJ! Many SJs get under my skin, actually, because they have a worldview that conforms to the established opinion or what the one with the authority thinks is right. Just because you are the manager or teacher doesn't mean you are right, but many SJs assume the one in authority (and the conventional way) is always right and should be listened to and respected.

    As you can see I can be very passionate in my views and quite blunt. So if I come off offensive, I apologize. But I have to be honest in order for you all to get an accurate reading on me. If I censor myself I'll come off with no personality, which is exactly what we are trying to figure out.

    Thanks for all the comment so far! Keep 'em coming, please.
    Last edited by PeopleWatcher; 06-30-2012 at 02:45 PM.

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