mooseantlers
Knobgoblin
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Why do some type forums have the two middle letters but this one has second and last?
It's Keirsey's fault.
If we followed Jung, we would actually be divided into SPs, SJs, NPs, and NJs. (Se/Si/Ne/Ni).
However, Keirsey felt that while P and J make a big huge wild difference between the sensing types, with the intuitives the bigger difference is between T and F.
If you read Please Understand Me II it will explain all that.
Keirsey even went so far as to say ISFPs and ISTPs [/i]
It's Keirsey's fault.
If we followed Jung, we would actually be divided into SPs, SJs, NPs, and NJs. (Se/Si/Ne/Ni).
However, Keirsey felt that while P and J make a big huge wild difference between the sensing types, with the intuitives the bigger difference is between T and F.
Keirsey even went so far as to say ISFPs and ISTPs shouldn't even be real types and aren't defined by the dominant function. He was that hung up on everyone falling into a strict hedonist/"in constant action" kind of category.
Jungians think ISTPs are just like INTPs with only minor differences, but this is based on the ISTPs as "introverted thinking" types". INTPs are logicians, philologists, and architects in the way they think, but ISTPs are completely disinterested in such pursuits.
Where did he say that, exactly?
I was going to give a page number (203), but it's in the first Keirsey/Bates version. I have the second edition too and it's just Keirsey and revised. I guess that's good to know.
Last I heard it's the INTPs who get annoyed when ISTPs nitpick with minor details that are puzzle pieces constructing the big picture lol.
Last I heard it's the INTPs who get annoyed when ISTPs nitpick with minor details that are puzzle pieces constructing the big picture lol.
No I think Se types get annoyed with INTPs nitpicking very subtle points with Ti/Si.
It drives me batty. I got into a debate/argument with an INTP on another forum, I told him he was a huge bore and time-waster.
I think it has more to do with the fact that you (and I) are an Fi/Te user. we're like "get to the point, we get the idea" and they want to spend time analyzing EVERY subtle detail and stubbornly stay there until it is perfect. most conversations are not a pre rehearsed sales presentation where every detail is taken into account. I wish Ti users would take into account the idea of general to specific. you have to focus on the main point/big picture before diving into details