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    Quote Originally Posted by mrcockburn View Post
    ESTP I'd consider the closest to the SJ temperament (though not in my case. I'm essentially the opposite of an SJ). ESFPs are just...pure SP. They're the SP of the SPs.
    I find this especially interesting. I wonder if that's the shadow coming out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    I find this especially interesting. I wonder if that's the shadow coming out?
    From whom, ESTPs in general, or me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrcockburn View Post
    From whom, ESTPs in general, or me?
    Both. Could be you, could be any other ESTP who's acting SJ-like. I'm just trying to figure out what would lead to that appearance.

    I thought it might be Ti, which like Si can be very particular about things, but Ti is even stronger in ISTPs. Maybe it's a combination of Ti along with a greater desire to express one's ideas led by Se? I really don't know, I guess I'm just trying to figure it out...
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    I don't find ESTPs to be the SJs of the SPs. In fact, I don't think that formulation works for any of the temperaments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    I don't find ESTPs to be the SJs of the SPs. In fact, I don't think that formulation works for any of the temperaments.
    Same. There's no way of testing or even quantifying of such a thing. Perhaps every temperament bears as many similarities to each other as the others do. That's what seems most reasonable to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    I'm not trying to use any stereotypes. It was David Keirsey himself who called ISTPs "NT-like."
    Cool. I've never heard that, but I agree. I seem to "get" NT's more than I do the other types.
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    ISFP, "Phlegmatic-Sanguine."

    In addition an Fi-Ni loop can make then seem like an aloof INF.

    ESFPs are pure sanguine, although ENFPs, who are "Sanguine-Phlegmatic," can often seem like ESFPs.

    Keirsey probably called ISTPs "NT-like" for two reasons:
    ISTPs share the same dominant function as INTPs, and in fact may resemble INTPs most when young.
    ISTPs have teritary Ni, rather than inferior Ni. Combined with Ti, an ISTP may become aloof, resembling INT nerdishness.

    However, ISTPs aren't like ENTs (ESTJs and ENFPs are, at least in terms of Te and Ne).

    SPs aren't necessarily SJ-like unless somehow Si is amid their top 4 functions.
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    I think Keirsey is ISTP. Man can't type even himself.

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