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[SP] Top 5 enneatype + wing types for SPs

KDude

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intellectualism is an N activity. Sensors can certainly be intellectual, but they are using their N function heavily to do so

Care to quantify why that is so then? I've never read any such thing in any typology books I've read. Or is this your Intuition telling you this? If so, enlighten me. What makes that intuition more reliable than decades worth of work done not just by Jung or Myers, but at this point, by a commitee?

Or is MBTI something you think you're free to interpret.. like a philosophy or something? Feel free, I guess, but I wonder.. why borrow other people's system and mangle it at random? Wouldn't it be easier (maybe even more profitable) to create your own personality theories?

That all out of the way, if Sensors are using N in these realms (and I don't necessarily deny that), then how is Ni playing out specifically for ISPs? What is it about Ni that makes this remarkable? Results done by a typical "down to earth" type of intellectual shies away from Ni. For example, it could be the plodding, investigative work of a field researcher.. someone who's keen about facts and evidence. That, or someone who could be very hands on and encyclopedic about many facts in their field.. like a botanist, for example. Someone who disciplines themselves to avoid any far flung conclusions they haven't found support for. You'd be hard pressed to say there's a lot of Ni in their perceptions. Some of these people might even bore some N types... yet they may both be intellectual in their own right.

Or are you saying that just the idea of someone even doing "research" is N in itself? Back to relegating us to eating hot dogs again. I guess.
 

Elfboy

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Care to quantify why that is so then? I've never read any such thing in any typology books I've read. Or is this your Intuition telling you this? If so, enlighten me. What makes that intuition more reliable than decades worth of work done not just by Jung or Myers, but at this point, by a commitee?
Ne and Ni deal with understanding and formulating concepts, which is essentially 80-90% of what intellectualism is. no complicated explanation necessary


Or is MBTI something you think you're free to interpret.. like a philosophy or something? Feel free, I guess, but I wonder.. why borrow other people's system and mangle it at random? Wouldn't it be easier (maybe even more profitable) to create your own personality theories?
no, I'd type myself as an INFP or INTJ if I thought of it that way

That all out of the way, if Sensors are using N in these realms (and I don't necessarily deny that), then how is Ni playing out specifically for ISPs? What is it about Ni that makes this remarkable? Results done by a typical "down to earth" type of intellectual shies away from Ni. For example, it could be the plodding, investigative work of a field researcher.
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while it is still often a domain of the 5 (I'm assuming that's the point you're trying to make) pragmatic research is different than intellectualism.

someone who's keen about facts and evidence. That, or someone who could be very hands on and encyclopedic about many facts in their field.. like a botanist, for example. Someone who disciplines themselves to avoid any far flung conclusions they haven't found support for. You'd be hard pressed to say there's a lot of Ni in their perceptions. Some of these people might even bore some N types... yet they may both be intellectual in their own right.

Or are you saying that just the idea of someone even doing "research" is N in itself? Back to relegating us to eating hot dogs again. I guess.

fair enough
 

KDude

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while it is still often a domain of the 5 (I'm assuming that's the point you're trying to make) pragmatic research is different than intellectualism.

This is where we disagree. A great majority of scientists are the pragmatic type. Yet, they're intellectual. Even if some are, say, INTPs, they know it must be done. Hell, the majority of Darwin's life was in the pragmatic realm. His theorizing wasn't even the half of it.

And a full blown Ne wouldn't even be that intellectual at times. Some ENTPs can't even sit down and think for longer than 10 seconds. :D

Exhibit A:

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T0GuglxtXA].[/youtube]
 

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This is where we disagree. A great majority of scientists are the pragmatic type. Yet, they're intellectual. Even if some are, say, INTPs, they know it must be done. Hell, the majority of Darwin's life was in the pragmatic realm. His theorizing wasn't even the half of it.

And a full blown Ne wouldn't even be that intellectual at times. Some ENTPs can't even sit down and think for longer than 10 seconds. :D

Exhibit A:

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T0GuglxtXA].[/youtube]

not all ENTPs are that bad. He looks like he has hardcore adhd.
 

KDude

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True..but I don't think he's bad either. He's kind of funny.
 

ICUP

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Ne and Ni deal with understanding and formulating concepts, which is essentially 80-90% of what intellectualism is. no complicated explanation necessary

Intellectualism is "devotion to the exercise of intellect or to intellectual pursuits". http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intellectualism A retard can be an intellectual, as long as s/he is devoted to intellectual pursuits. What you've written makes no sense. It must be nice to be N, where I could change the definitions of words to suit me.
 

Speed Gavroche

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True..but I don't think he's bad either. He's kind of funny.

He's extremely silly, ridiculous and annoying. Even Boxxy looks manly and laconic next to him.

Also:

They often don’t feel at home in the world, or even in their own bodies. If Type 4 feels like they were born into the wrong families, Type 5s feel like they were born onto the wrong planet. They feel alien, and indeed others can perceive them as a bit odd or eccentric.

That is not ISTP at all. INFx are far often Type 5 than ISTPs. Those who believe that Type 5 is just a taste for intelect completely miss the point. 5s live primarly in their oniric world than in the real world, and ISTP are seldom like this.

Also, from Enneagram Blogspot:

(Type 5) •Myers-Briggs Equivalents

More Common:
INTJ "The Free-Thinker" - Insightful, quick individualists who trust their own vision.
INTP "The Wizard" - Develops unusual and complex ideas, challenging accepted truth.

Quite Common:
ISTJ "The Reliant" - Systematic, painstaking, thorough, hardworking for commitments.
INFP "The Dreamer" - Desire their world to be in line with their inner ideal vision.

(Type 7)•Myers-Briggs Equivalents

More Common:
ESTP "The Adventurer" - Active, pragmatic, outgoing, fun, realistic accomplishers.
ESFP "The Joker" - Sympathetic socialites generously meeting needs in a fun, lively way.
ISTP "The Realist" - Quick adapter and planner, seeking freedom from strict structures.
ENTP "The Innovator" - Adaptable, innovative, freeing self from structure for action.
ENFP "The Visionary" - Love the fluid and changing, expressing creativity and charisma.

That confirms what I said: ISTPs tend clearly more to be 7 than 5.
 

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I can see some things shared with 7 too, but often, it's almost described as extroverted most of the time. Very umm.. pleasure seeking, on the go, and led by their nose in a way. Which isn't Ti dominant either.

I'm sure there's some clever way of making it possible though, by rationalizing it with some instinctual or tritype idea. But if we're going to go that far, what's stopping an ISTP from being a 2 then? They could be Fe inferior, but just love to give. :coffee:
 

freeeekyyy

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He's extremely silly, ridiculous and annoying. Even Boxxy looks manly and laconic next to him.

Also:



That is not ISTP at all. INFx are far often Type 5 than ISTPs. Those who believe that Type 5 is just a taste for intelect completely miss the point. 5s live primarly in their oniric world than in the real world, and ISTP are seldom like this.

Also, from Enneagram Blogspot:





That confirms what I said: ISTPs tend clearly more to be 7 than 5.

Tertiary Ni and the resultant intuitive lack of awareness can come out quite strongly in some ISTPs. In the same way some INTPs get extremely anal about details in an Si manner, the reverse can also happen with ISTPs. I've seen it, so I know it happens.
 

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That is not ISTP at all. INFx are far often Type 5 than ISTPs. Those who believe that Type 5 is just a taste for intelect completely miss the point. 5s live primarly in their oniric world than in the real world, and ISTP are seldom like this.
My good friend is an ISTP Ennegram 5. Not far fetched at all. You can live in your mind when you are alone and still be present in the real world when interacting with it.
 

KDude

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My good friend is an ISTP Ennegram 5. Not far fetched at all. You can live in your mind when you are alone and still be present in the real world when interacting with it.

Yeah..

Even in the more stereotypical physical things, there's always been a "loner" aspect for me, I guess. At my most physically active, I can remember playing basketball by myself for hours. Sometimes it'd be really offputting if other people came on to the court (yeah, even rain and cold weather was preferable lol..). I was in my head, but still active.

I don't think I'm a 5 though. Probably 6w5, like others here.

I think by my late teens/20s though, some shit went down where I asked different questions, did a lot of soul searching, thought and read about a lot about more things... I acted very much like a 5. I'm going to say that anything like that would bring out the "intellectual" side in an ISTP (or any SP, for that matter).
 

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The main point of E5 is to gain knowledge. The more knowledge you know the more prepared you can be to deal with the world. The knowledge collected may be different between INTP and ISTP.

I can def see IsTP's being 5's. Having a low S score still means you're an ISTP. That is the variation of MBTI but because there is a majority rule about MBTI it forces people into definitive categories. It's not an exact science. Low and high scores in each of the four areas will equal a same typed person but personality will be hardly recognizable on the surface levels.
 

Speed Gavroche

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still be present in the real world when interacting with it.

If you do that, then you're unlikely to be 5.

5's main point is not about being "soul searching" or "gaining knowledge", 7, 6, 8, 9, 4, 1, and every types to an extent can have a big drive to "gain knowledge". "I'am addicted to gain new skills then that means that I'am a 5" is ridiculous, the most addicted people to gain new skills that I know are 7s and 3s.

5s typycally are out of touch with reality, out of touch with their own body, live in their imaginary world and feel alien. ISTPs are very unlikely to be like that and then are unlikely to be 5. Some can be, but just a few, Type 5 has'nt anything to do in a "top 5 enneatypes for ISTP" list. They tend more to be 3,7 or 8.
 

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I guess we will have to agree to disagree, Speed. E5 may not be top enneagram for ISTP but I don't think it is rare.
 

KDude

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I guess we will have to agree to disagree, Speed. E5 may not be top enneagram for ISTP but I don't think it is rare.

No, you are just flat out WRONG. This argument is moot. Admit your defeat. None of this agree to disagree nonsense.

:coffee:
 

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I have seen more 9s then 7s or 3s
 

Speed Gavroche

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Based on a sample from Celebritytypes:

ISTP
1w9 sp/sx Harrison Ford http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/6452
3w4 sp/sx Scarlett Johansson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us0tiDFDPhU
3w4 sp/sx Christian Bale http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDPuzOq_tbA
3w4 so/sx Tom Cruise http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFBZ_uAbxS0
6w5 sp/so Vladimir Putin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tMshn_TGXs
6w5 so/sx Julia Roberts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV0YbYECU7A
6w5 so/sx Ellen Page http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9E_6eGGKfQ
6w7 sp/so Woody Allen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dEjc5B4kOo
7w8 so/sp Steve Jobs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewdqLEkOQl8
7w8 so/sx Snoop Dogg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGiY9DQOWSA
8w7 sp/sx Simon Cowell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Cpp_pPI7I
8w7 so/sx Bruce Lee http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeG8hCEUFCU
8w9 sp/sx Clint Eastwood http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDVzK8IthCs
8w9 sp/sx Phil Ivey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoB_hHb-Uyo

ESTP
1w9 sx/sp Meryl Streep http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWOPY9_QTTU
3w2 so/sp David Cameron http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcRpb76YoNI
3w2 so/sp Ryan Seacrest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C17kXTK9GaQ
3w4 sp/sx Anna Wintour http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i1CfQnqNM0
3w4 sx/so Madonna http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyTluYm_OUU
6w7 sp/so Glenn Beck http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRohgYwzRMU
6w7 sp/sx Mila Kunis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MV0CyahL8E
6w7 sx/sp Angelina Jolie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKHQ8VMU7lw
6w7 sx/so Amy Winehouse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6kWDfPzqO4
6w7 sx/so Milla Jovovich http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKZvUjTaDA0
7w6 sp/so Steven Covey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjI3wjKb124
7w8 so/sx Ben Affleck http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VsKgvobEKU
7w8 so/sx Jack Nicholson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sExcWgupkeA
8w7 sp/so Donald Trump http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MdMt_0e5Qs
8w7 so/sp Franklin D Roosevelt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8ujMc1LH0U
8w7 so/sx Nicolas Sarkozy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ-BMqSDs2Q
8w9 so/sp Winston Churchill http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ir1T8Z0bTo
9w8 so/sp George Bush Jr http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vefD3WSiis

ISFP
2w3 sx/so Pamela Anderson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jTjOjJ-8uY
3w2 sp/sx Paul McCartney http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPf9szSPcL0
3w2 so/sp John Travolta http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2q7tg6lklQ
3w2 sx/so Britney Spears http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZZox6jfWUk
3w4 sp/so Nicole Kidman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU2xdFdo9j4
3w4 sp/sx Jackie Kennedy Onassis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrZdkQWYlew
3w4 sp/sx David Beckham http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuUrSrIZnMc
3w4 sx/sp Christina Aguilera http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzfCjX62NxE
3w4 sx/so David Bowie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAAhDNHcACU
4w3 so/sx Michael Jackson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9NCucU37Do
4w3 sx/sp Prince http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2etGt8FwoYE
4w5 sx/sp Bob Dylan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaG1Rl74yQo
5w4 sx/sp Trent Reznor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr8FXnur5Z4
6w5 so/sx Eminem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKaN8HwO7AI
6w7 sx/sp Princess Diana http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpLyWr0p2II
6w7 sx/sp Marilyn Monroe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6wKJKpQlyc
7w6 so/sx Justin Timberlake http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qDppGFaGdqo
7w6 so/sx Brad Pitt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZemqIwZ6oug
7w6 sx/so Elizabeth Taylor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZv8HVkT3TY
7w6 sx/so Drew Barrymore http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE69Y60CbaA
7w8 sp/sx Ryan Gosling http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25Cem12Ydy8
7w8 sx/so Leni Reifenstahl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5E36mdHE3w
9w8 sx/sp Beyonce http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQlbwWcP8Hs
9w8 sx/sp Rihanna http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTkWOhzVdWw

ESFP
2w1 sp/so Deepak Chopra http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x960IKeLmY
3w2 sp/sx Jamie Oliver http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_SiKtUT4to
3w2 so/sp Tony Robbins http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb76b__tugk
3w2 so/sx Bill Clinton http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNoN403tXU4
6w5 so/sx Mel Gibson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YHccyFZKPU
6w7 so/sp Katy Perry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOtJUmiUZ08
6w7 so/sx Evan Rachel Wood http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SilJDUrFAOo
6w7 sx/so Lady Gaga http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q18QZiaA4Bg
7w6 sp/so Stephen Spielberg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtTSRFyte7A
7w6 so/sx Leonardo DiCaprio http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/1061
7w6 so/sx Cameron Diaz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjlW2XT3kmw
7w6 sx/so Megan Fox http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmuqHNakidI
7w8 sp/sx Hugh Heffner http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DGkHDhcHZ8
7w8 so/sp Wayne Dyer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZSkJIX8VPc
7w8 so/sp John F Kennedy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7YkJxQT_0Y
7w8 so/sx Larry Ellison http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/6247
7w8 so/sx Quentin Tarantino http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38k_cgg1J-Y
8w7 sx/so Pink http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0AlYiijHeY




Top 5 for ISTPs:

3w4, 6w5
7w8, 8w7, 8w9

No 5


Top 5 for ESTPs:

6w7
8w7
3w2, 3w4, 7w8


Top 5 for ISFPs

3w4
7w6
3w2
4w3, 6w7, 7w8, 9w8


Top 5 for ESFPs

7w8
7w6
3w2, 6w7
5th is undetermined.
 

Such Irony

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I have a hard time seeing many ISFPs as enneagram 3's. Of course the combination is possible, just not very probable. If you're looking at celebrity lists though, that distorts things somewhat because 3's are the type more likely to become celebrities.
 

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I haven't read beyond the first page of this but I'd like to add:

  • there ARE plenty of ISTP 5s
  • you seem to think that ISxPs are somehow more ambiverted than INxx, generally speaking of course

IMO, I'd put 4w5 or 6w5 way before I put 7w6 for ISFPs
for ISTPs, I'd put 9w8 AND 5w6 before 6w7 or 8w7
 
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