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    this thread is getting a little more heated than I expected. is it really so evil to be suspicious of evidence that doesn't line up with intuition?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    this thread is getting a little more heated than I expected. is it really so evil to be suspicious of evidence that doesn't line up with intuition?
    THE BATTLE OF THE EVIL PROFOUND INTUITION WITH RANDOMNITY

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    It's getting heated folks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post

    Oh, thank you for looking that up. But.


    It isn't really easy to tell from the poll what enneatype an ISTP is, is it?


    I think we need a new poll...(i don't really like to start threads).
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    Oh, thank you for looking that up. But.


    It isn't really easy to tell from the poll what enneatype an ISTP is, is it?


    I think we need a new poll...(i don't really like to start threads).
    I never said that. I said that I don't think they're one of the most common types (I believe they are after 6 and 8 with 5 being 3rd)
    the commentary is appreciated, but only if you do so accurately, this is not Elfboy a la Fox News
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    Oh, thank you for looking that up. But.


    It isn't really easy to tell from the poll what enneatype an ISTP is, is it?


    I think we need a new poll...(i don't really like to start threads).
    Read the link in the thread!
    That's the link that makes the correlations, not the poll.

    Most of the authors on the link, if the link is correct, correlate 5's with both Ti doms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    Read the link in the thread!
    That's the link that makes the correlations, not the poll.

    Most of the authors on the link, if the link is correct, correlate 5's with both Ti doms.

    What authors say is not a, eh hem, scientific study. I will start the poll myself if need be. I am REALLY hoping someone else will start it though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    What authors say is not a, eh hem, scientific study. I will start the poll myself if need be. I am REALLY hoping someone else will start it though.
    If you follow the link, it shows the sources for "what the authors say". It summarizes several studies which are then combined in the chart.

    They aren't scientific studies because MBTI and enneagram are not science. However, I'd wager that the studies were a little more rigorous and trustworthy than a voluntary poll on a random MBTI forum. This is not even close to being a representative sample of the population. A poll here would be interesting but it is not an accurate way to determine what most ISTPs' enneatypes are - it can tell you only the most common enneatypes for the ISTPs that happened to stumble across this forum, who stayed to post here, who know their enneatype, and who bothered to answer the poll....

    One of the studies on that page seems pretty reliable, certainly more than a poll here:

    - John Fudjack and Patricia Dinkelaker (These are the results of empirical research that measures what the most common Enneagram types correspond with the MB types, in order of highest concentration to lower. This could possibly be the most reliable, accurate information for correlation.) ISTP Five, Nine, Seven, Two
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    If you follow the link, it shows the sources for "what the authors say". It summarizes several studies which are then combined in the chart.

    They aren't scientific studies because MBTI and enneagram are not science. However, I'd wager that the studies were a little more rigorous and trustworthy than a voluntary poll on a random MBTI forum. This is not even close to being a representative sample of the population. A poll here would be interesting but it is not an accurate way to determine what most ISTPs' enneatypes are - it can tell you only the most common enneatypes for the ISTPs that happened to stumble across this forum, who stayed to post here, who know their enneatype, and who bothered to answer the poll....

    One of the studies on that page seems pretty reliable, certainly more than a poll here:
    Yeah, exactly, much more accurate. It's all going to be fuzzy of course. Everything we talk about here is fuzzy science. Polls on here aren't science at all, just for fun. I would be all for looking at one with the (maybe 20?) confirmed ISTP's on this site, but I still don't think it's going to be any better than the link.
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    lol. i was kidding about it being scientific.

    And I'm still curious about Type C istps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    this thread is getting a little more heated than I expected. is it really so evil to be suspicious of evidence that doesn't line up with intuition?
    What use is your intution if it has little to do with ISTPs in their own words, the words of full time researchers in these fields (as far as that word can be applied to them), and more to do with your whims, or distant observation at best? Are you trying to say that Intuition trumps all of that? You should go full gusto then. Make up any random thing. It doesn't really matter at that point, since your Intuition is seemingly responsible to nothing.

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