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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    How so? There are all kinds of ways to analyze the world. One can still be analytical and realist. Some could even be more analytical than some NTPs, if they have a tendency to criticize Ne ideas when things become impractical. One could be very much like a detective. The character of Sherlock Holmes was probably an ISTP. I don't know why anyone calls him an NTP. His most famous quote: "It is a capital mistake to theorize before you have all the evidence."

    One can be analytical, but very tactile/hands on about it. The kind of guy who sits on his back working under a car all day or dabbles in some craft/sport/music instrument/martial art, etc.. There's nothing instrinically "theory prone" about these people, but some might be 5s.
    but the nature of 5 is that they are caught up in their heads because they fear the real world. ISTPs are grounded. most of them are very intelligent and analytical, but not in an academic way like a 5. analyzation and action are connected for an ISTP (a rare combination which can make them brutally effective) not so for most 5s. analyzation is for it's own sake is the motivation of a 5
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    I usually agree with all your posts, K, but I'd have to disagree here. I don't see most ISTPs having that kind of patience or interest to devote to in depth analysis of something, to find "ALL" the evidence. A few pieces to point in the right direction is all it takes. What works is usually good enough. Finding all the myriad tendrils and fleshing them out is Ne, and might be used by an ISTP, but only is he is gifted with righteous amounts of Ne for some reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    WAY too simplistic
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    I usually agree with all your posts, K, but I'd have to disagree here. I don't see most ISTPs having that kind of patience or interest to devote to in depth analysis of something, to find "ALL" the evidence. A few pieces to point in the right direction is all it takes. What works is usually good enough. Finding all the myriad tendrils and fleshing them out is Ne, and might be used by an ISTP, but only is he is gifted with righteous amounts of Ne for some reason.
    I admit, I'm not nitpicky about details either, and I've seen INTPs who are.. but.. I am compelled to give food for thought anyways. Some are closer to these self-absorbed, cerebral types than a 3w4. That's one of the most achievement oriented types. And by achievement, I don't mean ISTPs brush that off. I mean that 3 has a focus on setting their goals by standards that are rarely their own. They are a means to appease or get ahead with some external influence or standard in the environment. It's an anthesis of an ISTP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    WAY too simplistic
    Yes. You're thinking is. Get educated.

    You must be the only person who doesn't know how frequently ISTPs score as a 5.
    It's common knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    According to this, an ISTP can only be a 5 (or is usually). An ISTP the same thing as an INTJ? Yeah, I can see the cross-over, as many istps will test intj....but I agree with elfyboy on this one. I see ISTPs being 6 oft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    According to this, an ISTP can only be a 5 (or is usually). An ISTP the same thing as an INTJ? Yeah, I can see the cross-over, as many istps will test intj....but I agree with elfyboy on this one. I see ISTPs being 6 oft.
    Do you know how to use Google? Apparently not. Sources abound, and have for years, discussing this very subject. This is not new information. It's old. I don't care who you agree with. I care about what is true. That's it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Do you know how to use Google? Apparently not. Sources abound, and have for years, discussing this very subject. This is not new information. It's old. I don't care who you agree with. I care about what is true. That's it.
    Not quite sure what you are talking about here, Jag, but I'm just sayin ISTPs aren't as likely to be 5's for the reasons Elfboy pointed out. 5's yes. Predominantly? Nah. Don't think so. That's all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    Not quite sure what you are talking about here, Jag, but I'm just sayin ISTPs aren't as likely to be 5's for the reasons Elfboy pointed out. 5's yes. Predominantly? Nah. Don't think so. That's all.
    it's okay, I agree with you
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