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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    That has nothing to do with the I/E dichotomy, an introvert expand his energy in the outside world while an extrovert get it. That does'nt mean an ontrovert can't be concerned with the type 3's orientation to be a champion and be oriented toward performable success.

    I know a lot of ISTPs, and no one are 5s. And don't know and famous ISTP type 5. I don't know any fictional ISTP type 5. And thoses online, or in books, who says that type 5 ISTPs are current are unable to show any concrete example of type 5 ISTP as well. There's no evidence that it's a current combination, actually, there's more evidence that they are rare, Type 7 ISTPs are clearly more currents.
    Would you say that an ISTP with an intellectual focus is likely a type 5? There's at least one who fits that description and comes around here occasionally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    Would you say that an ISTP with an intellectual focus is likely a type 5? There's at least one who fits that description and comes around here occasionally.
    It's possible but nothing more. "having an intelectual focus" is not enough to be a 5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    It's possible but nothing more. "having an intelectual focus" is not enough to be a 5.
    It's a pretty strong association though. Intelligence and intellect are not the same thing. Anybody can be intelligent, but type 5s are much more likely than others to be "intellectuals." It's not as rare as you might think among ISTPs to be very focused on academic knowledge, etc. The way they learn and use that knowledge is different from an INTP, for example, but they can often have the same basic drives. I'm sure that ISTP 5s are probably much more likely to have a 6 wing than a 4 wing, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    It's a pretty strong association though. Intelligence and intellect are not the same thing. Anybody can be intelligent, but type 5s are much more likely than others to be "intellectuals." It's not as rare as you might think among ISTPs to be very focused on academic knowledge, etc. The way they learn and use that knowledge is different from an INTP, for example, but they can often have the same basic drives. I'm sure that ISTP 5s are probably much more likely to have a 6 wing than a 4 wing, though.
    From my experience, most part of 5s are INxx, with some ENTx. ISTPs are often 3, 6, 7 or 9, but 5 is rare. One of the first things I learned when I started to get into enneagram is that you can't find your type just doing a test, so, what people score on test mus'nt be taken as serious datas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    From my experience, most part of 5s are INxx, with some ENTx. ISTPs are often 3, 6, 7 or 9, but 5 is rare. One of the first things I learned when I started to get into enneagram is that you can't find your type just doing a test, so, what people score on test mus'nt be taken as serious datas.
    Every test I take I get 5, and it's not even a low 5 it is usually a very high 5 and I relate to the description of 5 when I read it compared to the other descriptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    Every test I take I get 5, and it's not even a low 5 it is usually a very high 5 and I relate to the description of 5 when I read it compared to the other descriptions.
    I would believe you a possible 5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    From my experience, most part of 5s are INxx, with some ENTx. ISTPs are often 3, 6, 7 or 9, but 5 is rare. One of the first things I learned when I started to get into enneagram is that you can't find your type just doing a test, so, what people score on test mus'nt be taken as serious datas.
    I think ISTP 5s are fairly common, just less so than 6s, 8s and 9s. probably closer to ISTP 7s and 3s
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    Are we really correlating Intellectualism with N again? Is Se just good for tasting hot dogs and taking a jog or something? Se isn't about "senses" in the colloquial sense. Typology/Jung/MBTI has it's own lingo on what sensation means.

    I'll say that superior (for lack of a better word) intellectual styles come from N though. Ne in particular is kind of holographic in examining an object, for example.. it sees many more sides than Se. But that doesn't mean Se types are necessarily disinterested or worse, just gibbering retards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Are we really correlating Intellectualism with N again? Is Se just good for tasting hot dogs and taking a jog or something? Se isn't about "senses" in the colloquial sense. Typology/Jung/MBTI has it's own lingo on what sensation means.

    I'll say that superior (for lack of a better word) intellectual styles come from N though. Ne in particular is kind of holographic in examining an object, for example.. it sees many more sides than Se. But that doesn't mean Se types are necessarily disinterested or worse, just gibbering retards.
    Right, that was the very point I was trying to make. Besides INTPs and INTJs, I think ISTPs are probably the most likely MBTI to be enneagram type 5s. Certainly more likely than ISTJs, who are probably the only other MBTI that gets type 5 with any regularity at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Are we really correlating Intellectualism with N again? Is Se just good for tasting hot dogs and taking a jog or something? Se isn't about "senses" in the colloquial sense. Typology/Jung/MBTI has it's own lingo on what sensation means.

    I'll say that superior (for lack of a better word) intellectual styles come from N though. Ne in particular is kind of holographic in examining an object, for example.. it sees many more sides than Se. But that doesn't mean Se types are necessarily disinterested or worse, just gibbering retards.
    yes, intellectualism is an N activity. Sensors can certainly be intellectual, but they are using their N function heavily to do so
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