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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    ISTPs would rarely act like a 3. If anything, they might need a friend like that.

    5w6 would be a lot more common than that.
    No, because 5 is a very rare type while 3 is one of the most current. The style of the Type 3 of a man who is active, keep busy, send project, is competent, seek impact and keep his feelings asleep fits better with the ISTP type than the type 5 style of a nerd who stay in his oniric world and is not interested with action. I think 3w4 ISTP are very currents, but Type 5 and 3w2 ISTPs are rather rare.

    Elfboy's ranking is very accurate, i think. I don't see how I could improve it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    No, because 5 is a very rare type while 3 is one of the most current. The style of the Type 3 of a man who is active, keep busy, send project, is competent, seek impact and keep his feelings asleep fits better with the ISTP type than the type 5 style of a nerd who stay in his oniric world and is not interested with action. I think 3w4 ISTP are very currents, but Type 5 and 3w2 ISTPs are rather rare.
    lol.. So 5s are nerds now and 3s are not?

    Personally, I think it's more nerdy to be as concerned with external achievement marks and status in the way that some 3s are. That's the kind of thing I'd sit on the sidelines watching.. and laughing at. I'll give you bonus points for using the word oniric though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    lol.. So 5s are nerds now and 3s are not?

    Personally, I think it's more nerdy to be as concerned with external achievemnt marks and status in the way that some 3s are. That's the kind of thing I'd sit on the sidelines watching.. and laughing at.
    We have not the same definition of nerd apparently. For me, a nerd is not necessarly concerned with external achivements, but above all with analysis for the sake of analysis and inability to deal with the real world. That's not ISTP. ENTx are more likely to be 5s than ISTPs. And there's clearly more Type 7 (especially 7w8) ISTPs than Type 5 ISTPs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    We have not the same definition of nerd apparently. For me, a nerd is not necessarly concerned with external achivements, but above all with analysis for the sake of analysis and inability to deal with the real world. That's not ISTP. ENTx are more likely to be 5s than ISTPs. And there's clearly more Type 7 (especially 7w8) ISTPs than Type 5 ISTPs.
    How can you say an ISTP can be a 3 and still say these particular ones wouldn't be so externally involved like that? If they're 3, you're essentially turning these ISTPs into Se/Fe/Te doms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    How can you say an ISTP can be a 3 and still say these particular ones wouldn't be so externally involved like that? If they're 3, you're essentially turning these ISTPs into Se/Fe/Te doms.
    That has nothing to do with the I/E dichotomy, an introvert expand his energy in the outside world while an extrovert get it. That does'nt mean an ontrovert can't be concerned with the type 3's orientation to be a champion and be oriented toward performable success.

    I know a lot of ISTPs, and no one are 5s. And don't know and famous ISTP type 5. I don't know any fictional ISTP type 5. And thoses online, or in books, who says that type 5 ISTPs are current are unable to show any concrete example of type 5 ISTP as well. There's no evidence that it's a current combination, actually, there's more evidence that they are rare, Type 7 ISTPs are clearly more currents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    That has nothing to do with the I/E dichotomy, an introvert expand his energy in the outside world while an extrovert get it. That does'nt mean an ontrovert can't be concerned with the type 3's orientation to be a champion and be oriented toward performable success.
    I didn't say anything about success. Anyone can be successful. It's just that an introvert (especially Ti and Fi dominant) isn't going to be swayed by what that means in a way a 3 would. 3s will adapt expected standards and factors for success as their own. Whether it was something their family ingrained in them, or what appears to be the cool/admirable/successful thing from their peers or their culture. 3's are the ones who embody that kind of success. It doesn't mean they're the only ones "successful" in some generic sense.

    That's my understanding at least. I could be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I didn't say anything about success. Anyone can be successful. It's just that an introvert (especially Ti and Fi dominant) isn't going to be swayed by what that means in a way a 3 would. 3s will adapt expected standards and factors for success as their own. Whether it was something their family ingrained in them, or what appears to be the cool/admirable/successful thing from their peers or their culture. 3's are the ones who embody that kind of success. It doesn't mean they're the only ones "successful" in some generic sense.

    That' my understanding at least. I could be wrong.
    The proof of success for a 3 is that they beat someone at a competition, you don't need to be an extrovert for this.

    An example of Type 3 ISTP:



    So, yes, you are wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    So, yes, you are wrong.
    Just because say so, doesn't make it true.

    I'm not even sure Mike is an ISTP anyways. I think it's very possible that he's ESTP, taking the way he acts off court at least. Larry Bird is more of an ISTP than he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Just because say so, doesn't make it true.
    It's is true as long as you are unable to argue aganst it.

    I'm not even sure Mike is an ISTP anyways. I think it's very possible that he's ESTP,
    Lol, no.

    taking the way he acts off court at least. Larry Bird is more of an ISTP than he is.
    Larry Bird is a pure ISFJ. 6w5 Sp/So.
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    Love the declarations. I see you don't like to discuss anything at all.

    What makes you think Larry is ISFJ anyways? Even Jordan says he didn't know a thing about the "mental game" and competitiveness until he played Larry (his other mentor was Magic, whose sense of teamwork he admired). Dennis Rodman literally didn't like to play against him. Apparently, he always had something demoralizing to say. He knew how to get under people's skin with saying little. Not to say that's ISTP, but it's probably closer.

    As for Jordan being extroverted, I say it because I run across articles where he comes off as the leader in the groups he's in, parties all night, and is an extreme gambling junky. He seems more like one of those people who get overstimulated and don't know how to quit.

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