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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    "In depth" Really?

    What do you mean an artisan is just a skilled manual labourer. Do you feel you can't express yourself through a trade?

    What's the point of your post anyway?
    I knew someone would mention the "in depth" part.

    I probably won't respond if you ask about the "point" of my post. I started this thread after all.
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    I appreciate this art. I wish I had frizzy hair. Frizzy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    "In depth" Really?

    What do you mean an artisan is just a skilled manual labourer. Do you feel you can't express yourself through a trade?

    What's the point of your post anyway?
    Yeah, Wolfy. Mal's right. I mean, anyone can go downtown and create a beautiful personal mural for a wall on a main building. That is just skilled manual labor. I mean, I'll just practice for a few days and, voila, an exotic aquarium will emerge out of my paint brush. ANYONE can do that, silly!!! It takes skill to be the one who walks down there to appreciate it. ISFP's just can't walk down there to appreciate that mural- they don't know how, they are strictly refined to making the mural.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    Hmm.. I don't think of ISFP's as being artists in the sense that they are sitting around in art galleries staring at paint splatters on a white board and trying to figure out what it's all about. I think of a (good) ISFP out in a forest or in nature taking pictures and feeling connected with their surroundings. Basically taking something very real and turning it into a meaningful and artistic personal experience. Art in museums can be cold and have little meaning to the viewer/ evoke little emotion, but when you take something that means a lot to you, connecting experiences with something beautiful, you can become a wonderful appreciator of the art that your surroundings have to offer. (and put those experiences together to create something nice as well.) That's why they are artists, and not art appreciators on paper. (What do they mean by "art appreciator anyways? Everything around you can be art, they can't judge who's thinking artistically and who is just sitting around and talking out their asses about somebody's naked sculpture.)
    There's my point. An art appreciator discusses the basic ideas behind various art forms. I don't imagine very many ISFP's doing this, although some might.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    There's my point. An art appreciator discusses the basic ideas behind various art forms. I don't imagine very many ISFP's doing this, although some might.
    Yeah, but I'm also saying that the SP arthouse is an arthouse because it's full of artists, not art appreciators. Creating art is not skilled manual labor, it's a talent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    Yeah, Wolfy. Mal's right. I mean, anyone can go downtown and create a beautiful personal mural for a wall on a main building. That is just skilled manual labor. I mean, I'll just practice for a few days and, voila, an exotic aquarium will emerge out of my paint brush. ANYONE can do that, silly!!! It takes skill to be the one who walks down there to appreciate it. ISFP's just can't walk down there to appreciate that mural- they don't know how, they are strictly refined to making the mural.
    Artisanship can involve many forms of craftwork. The ISFP is the hands on type, as you said. The ISFP as a type is not going to stand around looking at or appreciating a mural or a museum painting for very long. The ISFP is primarily a doer.
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    I don't think I'm an artist or an art appreciator. At least not especially. Except for the time I stuck toothpicks in a potato and called it a hedgehog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    Yeah, but I'm also saying that the SP arthouse is an arthouse because it's full of artists, not art appreciators. Creating art is not skilled manual labor, it's a talent.
    ISFP's may create art in a broad sense of the word. Calligraphy is an art but not an art form. Or they may create real art.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
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    ISFP "Artisans - SP - Sensing Perceiving - Simple Pleasure-seekers: Artisans are the definition of fun and enjoyment, but they really won't like you much if you don't appear to want to have fun. When you want to do something fun and enjoyable, seek out the company of these people."

    An artisan by definition is just a skilled manual laborer. I agree with the label "artisan" for ISFP. But I think some time in the past some dummy thought 'artisan' meant 'artistic.'
    It doesn't matter what the word technically means in this case. MBTI people meant for artisan to mean artistic- many of these people have specific artistic talents. Art appreciators aren't "artistic", they are art appreciators. Artisans, (in the case of MBTI) are often artists, which makes them artistic, which is why they are artists who are underrepresented in appreciating art (and likely overrepresented in creating art.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    It doesn't matter what the word technically means in this case. MBTI people meant for artisan to mean artistic- many of these people have specific artistic talents. Art appreciators aren't "artistic", they are art appreciators. Artisans, (in the case of MBTI) are often artists, which makes them artistic, which is why they are artists who are underrepresented in appreciating art (and likely overrepresented in creating art.)
    I am covertly criticizing the name of this sub-forum. Arthouse? What is that? The house that Art built?

    An art house is an art studio, a place where artists hang out painting nudes, like gym dudes hanging out at the gym sculpting their bodies.

    This terminology confuses the SP in general with an artistic type. I think they are usually hands on and crafty, sometimes artistic and talented, and sometimes artistic and not-so-talented.
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