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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post
    I know, I know, artisans arent all artistic, but I thought I would post this here. How does one become artistic?
    Pick up an instrument!, I love my guitar and drum set and sometimes I'll come up with my own songs(which need some recording).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post
    The problem is I just don't see it. I look at clothes, and I think they are ugly. I see it worn by someone, and I think it works. I see furniture, and I think it is ugly. Walk into someone's living room, and think it looks great. Nothing I draw looks even remotely like the idea I had in my mind. I can dream (literally in my dreams) symphonies but am completely tone deaf and cant play an instrument. I cant sing. If I write, I feel absolutely silly putting my thoughts into words.

    It seems like whatever is in my mind never translates well into an art. When I was younger I used to dance, and was very good at ballet. I would start dancing and my mind would go completely blank, I could feel a rush of intense emotion with every move, until the music stopped and I was left with that lingering feeling that comes after watching a good movie, reading a good book, or listening to a specific piece of music. But, I am chubs now although even when I was skinny, my body isn't trained (which takes years) to move like it used to, and I get frustrated by limitation.

    As far as arts go, I can recognize what is well done, but can't create anything. Photography could be cool, but I don't feel that would break through the creative block I have. I think I could be a lot less....feral....if I developed an art as an outlet. Maybe gain some fluidity of personality.
    I also get very frustrated by not being able to create something I want to create, and that drives me to read and practice, until I can. If I am not proud of my creation, I see no point in doing it.

    I chose art forms based on my end goal.... which is to write games. I also enjoy makeup as an art form..... and I approached it in much the same way. It took a little while to enjoy it, but now I do. I think investing the time is difficult, but the rewards can be wonderful. I think if you spend some time doing the not-so-fun stuff (reading, practicing), it will pay off...... at least it has for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post
    The problem is I just don't see it. I look at clothes, and I think they are ugly. I see it worn by someone, and I think it works. I see furniture, and I think it is ugly. Walk into someone's living room, and think it looks great. Nothing I draw looks even remotely like the idea I had in my mind. I can dream (literally in my dreams) symphonies but am completely tone deaf and cant play an instrument. I cant sing. If I write, I feel absolutely silly putting my thoughts into words.

    It seems like whatever is in my mind never translates well into an art. When I was younger I used to dance, and was very good at ballet. I would start dancing and my mind would go completely blank, I could feel a rush of intense emotion with every move, until the music stopped and I was left with that lingering feeling that comes after watching a good movie, reading a good book, or listening to a specific piece of music. But, I am chubs now although even when I was skinny, my body isn't trained (which takes years) to move like it used to, and I get frustrated by limitation.

    As far as arts go, I can recognize what is well done, but can't create anything. Photography could be cool, but I don't feel that would break through the creative block I have. I think I could be a lot less....feral....if I developed an art as an outlet. Maybe gain some fluidity of personality.
    In all seriousness, with drawing at least, it sounds like your problem is control. A lot of beginners have specific images in mind that they want to create, and when their hands aren't trained enough to translate that to the paper, they feel like they have no control and give up. The solution to this - and this may sound fucking corny, but it's true - is to stop thinking of control. Simply draw for the sake of moving a pencil (or charcoal, or whatever) across a paper; learn to appreciate how objects really look and draw them intuitively and quickly without assessment or any focus on technique. A good book to work with on this is Nicolaides' "Drawing the Natural Way." He has beginners focus first and foremost NOT on technique, but rather on getting your mind right when you assess things visually (which is surprisingly a pretty counter-intuitive thing to do.)

    You basically have to simplify things in your mind in order to gain the appropriate skill without getting frustrated (because, yeah, it's going to be frustrating if you keep judging your creations based on what you think they "should" look like.) Simply find pleasure in the act of drawing without judgment of the final result. Then you will gradually be able to "think" with your hand, and there won't be such a disconnect between the visions in your mind and your ability to produce them visually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    In all seriousness, with drawing at least, it sounds like your problem is control. A lot of beginners have specific images in mind that they want to create, and when their hands aren't trained enough to translate that to the paper, they feel like they have no control and give up. The solution to this - and this may sound fucking corny, but it's true - is to stop thinking of control. Simply draw for the sake of moving a pencil (or charcoal, or whatever) across a paper; learn to appreciate how objects really look and draw them intuitively and quickly without assessment or any focus on technique. A good book to work with on this is Nicolaides' "Drawing the Natural Way." He has beginners focus first and foremost NOT on technique, but rather on getting your mind right when you assess things visually (which is surprisingly a pretty counter-intuitive thing to do.)

    You basically have to simplify things in your mind in order to gain the appropriate skill without getting frustrated (because, yeah, it's going to be frustrating if you keep judging your creations based on what you think they "should" look like.) Simply find pleasure in the act of drawing without judgment of the final result. Then you will gradually be able to "think" with your hand, and there won't be such a disconnect between the visions in your mind and your ability to produce them visually.
    This.

    Drawing is like every other "artistic" careers out there. It takes time, and for some, lots of time. It is probably why most tend to teach you first and foremost the images that are directly in front of you rather than the image that is in your mind.

    Once you can draw consistently, drawing something that comes to mind is a bit easier. But you have to continually draw to get better. Don't worry about your mistakes and just continue drawing. If you are using graphite pencil, you can just erase your mistakes later (just make sure you don't draw hard.) Other than that, make lots of mistakes... it is good for people learning to draw.

    The easiest example is figure drawing. Once you learn the body and continually draw a figure of someone... you begin noticing how to draw the parts without really needing an actual image and can rely on your mind instead. You start to notice what looks "right" and what looks "off."
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    There is a small hole in the wall place that offers art classes. Looking through the window it looks like paintings and drawings. Now if I could just catch them while they are open....I may enroll.

    Thanks for the suggestions guys.

    BTW I tried guitar. My hands are too small. Same for piano. I would either need to play trumpet or drums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post
    There is a small hole in the wall place that offers art classes. Looking through the window it looks like paintings and drawings. Now if I could just catch them while they are open....I may enroll.

    BTW I tried guitar. My hands are too small. Same for piano. I would either need to play trumpet or drums.
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    Lol! I intend to. The place may be out of business though. I'll look into other places as well. I wont commute though.

    The hand thing is legit. Even stretching my fingers I couldn't hit all the keys. So...limitation.

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    Experiment!
    Try painting. If it catches your interest, you'll find yourself doing it often and getting better at it. Before you know, you'll start buying and reading books about anatomy, just to improve. If painting isn't your thing, try playing an instrument, working with wood or clay, beads or wool. I discovered I hated beads and wool by experiment, and the same way I discovered I loved clay and paint.
    Try to be creative at all times. Creativity improves with exercise. I've been inventing stories ever since I was bored at class. If I'm struck with a story, I'd take a pencil and sketch a character or a landscape. When even this doesn't catch my fancy, I'd go for a walk, or do something creative that's totally different. Write a romantic short story (my main genre is fantasy/science fiction). Draw a tree or a dragon. I almost never draw from life, even if I'm drawing an existing thing like a tree. I guess this comes from being a creative Ne user instead of a Se user (but I DO enjoy the touch of clay!) :-)
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    I think in your case you need to embrace your feelings and right brain more, in general.

    You should just take a day and do nothing but create by singing (alone if you don't want anyone to hear), drawing, coloring, cooking something fun, whatever.

    No organizing or logic. Totally off limits. Stare at the sky and daydream.

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    http://www.drawright.com/

    Thinking that embracing your feelings will make you better at "art" is probably dumb. Structured practice will make you better, the only thing feelings do is give you motivation.
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